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"If God doesn't exist, everything is permitted."?

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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 11 May, 2014 06:56 pm
@neologist,
By giving them the old donkey punch.
Buttermilk
 
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Sun 11 May, 2014 06:59 pm
@neologist,
Laws aren't meant to be a solution only a mitigation. Man has to solve man's problems.
sunyata
 
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Sun 11 May, 2014 07:27 pm
@Buttermilk,
begging the ?...
how? does man solve?
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JLNobody
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 10:24 am
Since "God" is Dead we are free (to create our worlds).
neologist
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 10:57 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:
Laws aren't meant to be a solution only a mitigation. Man has to solve man's problems.
How's that going so far?
Setanta
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:35 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:
Laws aren't meant to bea solution only a mitigation. Man has to solve man's problems.


Mitigation? What utter tommyrot. Laws are the means by which the terms of the social contract are made specific, in the hope of enforcing them. What you are pleased to call "man's problems" have been with us for as long as history has been recorded. Your pie in the sky claim that man has to solve those problems ignores that they will crop up anew in each generation.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:36 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
OK. But no matter how much we may like man's laws, they really have failed to solve man's real problems.


Man's problems one, god's solutions, ZERO.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:45 am
For godless societies, just look at the incompetent corrupt communist countries around the world, they're more like evil cesspits than countries.
The commie creed is rotten to the core..

"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism”-Lenin
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth"- Lenin
"Destroy the family, you destroy the country"-Lenin
"He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism"- Lenin
"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold:
its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life.
If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."
- Joseph Stalin
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:11 pm
Everything IS permitted. There are consequences, though.
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Chumly
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:16 pm
@alphajoza,
Chumly once said: "If God does exist, everything is permitted as long as you interpret your religion of choice to suit."

Can someone elaborate please? Thanks in advance.
sunkith
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:20 pm
@alphajoza,
I thought it was obvious.

Proof:
Permit = NOT forbidden
Anything acted by human being A is forbidden by B ==> B must be in a higher order than A
God doesn't exist==B doesn't exist.
Therefore, anything acted by A is NOT forbidden. ==>everything is permited.

Q.E.D.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:23 pm
Ah-hahahahahahahahahaha . . .
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neologist
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 03:55 pm
@Setanta,
neologist wrote:
OK. But no matter how much we may like man's laws, they really have failed to solve man's real problems.
Setanta wrote:
Man's problems one, god's solutions, ZERO.
Very perceptive. Man's solutions also ZERO. So is it a tie game? Or is there more to it?
neologist
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 04:00 pm
@Chumly,
Chumly wrote:
Chumly once said: "If God does exist, everything is permitted as long as you interpret your religion of choice to suit."

Can someone elaborate please? Thanks in advance.
Good to see you back, Chumly. Of course, your conclusion is correct without the phrase "If God does exist". Everything is permitted as long as you interpret your religion of choice to suit. However, our choice is irrelevant.
sannyasa2
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:11 pm
@edgarblythe,
LMAO
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sannyasa2
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:13 pm
@JLNobody,
gott ist tot
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InfraBlue
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 08:29 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Buttermilk wrote:
Laws aren't meant to be a solution only a mitigation. Man has to solve man's problems.
How's that going so far?

Seeing as how we've been around for around 200,000 years or so, it's going pretty good so far, your pessimism notwithstanding.
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JLNobody
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:26 pm
I think of the LAWS of nature as (nomothetic) statements about observed regularities, I suppose the assumption is that such regularity reflects some kind of "necessity" about how things work, but not as some kind of Cosmic Statutes. Things behave as they do because of their nature, not in obedience to God's will.
JLNobody
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 01:14 pm
@JLNobody,
And when the behavior of anything, including myself, is "determined" by its nature I consider that to be an expression of FREEDOM rather than mechanical determinism. Moreover (and more radically) when my behavior is shaped or driven by something that is normally considered apart from me, I still consider it an expression of my freedom because I am really one with everything .
Razz
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Ding an Sich
 
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Tue 13 May, 2014 01:15 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

Things behave as they do because of their nature, not in obedience to God's will.


Excellent.
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