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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 07:50 am
-(The) Arctic sea ice thinned 10–40% in recent decades.

As a start of a news report, is THE optional and there's no change in meaning? (no ice thing has been mentioned in the given context)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 08:49 am
Yes, "The" is optional. As a headline, it means the same thing with or without it.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 08:52 am

In a headline, it would be most unusual to see "The" used.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 09:46 am
Thank you, but

1. I mean as the starting sentence, complete sentence in a news report, not the headline; would THE still be optional?

2.Without having talked/mentioned Brazilian cars; is THE optional?:

-50%/67%/half etc of (the) new Brazilian cars are good vehicles.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 09:48 am
Yes, it is still optional. In your example about Brazilian cars, you would not use "the."
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 10:58 am
@WBYeats,
OT but I might have writ "…has thinned to 10%-40%…"
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2014 09:57 pm
THank you~
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2014 09:41 am
Is this THE optional?:

-(The) wind is created by the movement of atmospheric air mass as a result of variation of atmospheric pressure, which results from the difference in solar heating in different parts of the earth surface.

as a definition; without referring to any wind before.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 2 May, 2014 10:07 am
@WBYeats,
One could argue that it is optional, but i , personally, would not use it. That's for the same reason you should not use "the" with Brazilian cars. It is not a reference to a subset of a group having family resemblance.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Sat 3 May, 2014 07:29 am
@Setanta,
Thank you~
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Without context, is THE optional?

eg The more (the) torque an engine has, the bigger the load it can pull in the same gear.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 3 May, 2014 07:31 am
@WBYeats,
Yes, in that the second definite article is not needed.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 12:18 am
@Setanta,
Thank you~

do you mean we can also simply say?:

-the bigger (the) load it can pull in the same gear/
- it can pull in the same gear bigger load.

THE being optional in the first sentence above?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 4 May, 2014 01:19 am
@WBYeats,
You misunderstood me. Here is your sentence, with the second definite article highlighted:

The more (the) torque an engine has, the bigger the load it can pull in the same gear.

The first definite article begins the sentence. The second definite article is optional, and i don't think most natives speakers would use it. The third and fourth definite articles are not optional, although the fourth definite article might be replaced by the indefinite article:

The more (the) torque an engine has, the bigger a load it can pull in the same gear.

So, were i to write that sentence, this is how i would write it:

The more torque an engine has, the bigger the load it can pull in the same gear.
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