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Donald Sterling

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 02:42 pm
Mark Cuban

Quote:
On whether or not he will vote to oust Clippers owner Donald Sterling: You’ll find out. I know how I’m going to vote, but I’m not ready to comment on it.

On how to keep bigotry out of the NBA: You don’t. There’s no law against stupid.

On stupidity in general: I’m the one guy who says don’t force the stupid people to be quiet — I want to know who the morons are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/05/22/mark-cuban-goes-full-mark-cuban-talks-about-donald-sterling-his-own-prejudices/?tid=pm_pop

We will see after but I think Cuban will vote Sterling out, on the basis of him being a long long long time terrible owner.
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 02:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
The Cuban story caused me to immediately think of some statements by Jesse Jackson some years ago.

He was living in an upscale DC neighborhood and, when out walking at night, he heard footsteps behind him. He said that this gave him a fright, but was relieved when he looked back and saw some white people making the noise.

While the Washington Post briefly covered his statements, there was not a word of criticism about racism on his part.

Should Jackson have been blasted much like Cuban was?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 22 May, 2014 03:03 pm
@Advocate,
Cuban is committing heresy by not particularly aspiring to be a God in human form, by pointing out that humans are imperfect, and not apologizing for that. We shall see how that goes over.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 10:44 am
This seems like a better move than a long drawn out legal battle on Sterling's part.
Quote:

Donald Sterling agrees to allow wife to sell Clippers
Brent Schrotenboer and Jeff Zillgitt,
USA TODAY Sports
May 23, 2014

Donald Sterling has agreed to transfer his ownership share of the Los Angeles Clippers to his wife Shelly, who will voluntarily move to sell the team, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports Friday on condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the talks.

The person declined to say why Shelly Sterling decided to change her mind after previously saying she would fight to keep her 50% ownership share of the team.

There are contingencies in the agreement, a second person with direct knowledge of the situation told USA TODAY Sports. Shelly Sterling has agreed to sell the team as long as she retains a minority interest in the Clippers, according to the second person, who also requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the negotiations.

It was not immediately clear whether the NBA will agree to Shelly Sterling's terms. The NBA, which banned Sterling for life on April 29, has said its move to terminate Donald Sterling's ownership would also terminate any other ownership interest in the team. But that process could be affected by Donald Sterling's decision to voluntarily transfer his share of the team to his wife.

On Tuesday at a press conference before the draft lottery, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said he was open to the idea of the Sterlings selling the team without conducting the special hearing on June 3 to terminate their ownership.

"I'll only say that Mr. Sterling still owns the Los Angeles Clippers. Mrs. Sterling as I understand it through a trust owns 50% of the team, as well," Silver said. "It is their team to sell, and so he knows what the league's point of view is, and so I'm sure if he wanted to sell the team on some reasonable timetable, I'd prefer he sell it than we go through this process. … I'm open to that."...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/clippers/2014/05/23/donald-sterling-shelly-sterling-agree-to-sell-clippers/9485681/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 10:56 am
@firefly,
I dont see the NBA agreeing, this seems like a stalling/pr tactic. And even if the NBA agrees the sale would happen by when? When hell freezes over?
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 11:17 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:

I dont see the NBA agreeing, this seems like a stalling/pr tactic. And even if the NBA agrees the sale would happen by when? When hell freezes over?

I don't think this is a PR tactic. I think Sterling was being honest when he told Anderson Cooper he really doesn't want a long drawn out legal battle at his age.

It's a stalling tactic only to give Sterling and his wife some control over when the team is sold--before the other owners vote to force a sale--and that was also the point of his lawyer's saber rattling and threats to sue last week, it was just buying time and a foothold to negotiate.

But this news, if it's true, means Sterling is clearly conceding it's game over. He's immediately removing himself from ownership, and letting his wife handle the sale--since he'll be gone, the NBA has a little less reason to push for an immediate sale by his wife.

The NBA may well agree. Adam Silver said this this week
Quote:
"...he knows what the league's point of view is, and so I'm sure if he wanted to sell the team on some reasonable timetable, I'd prefer he sell it than we go through this process. … I'm open to that."...


So, it may just be a matter of working out that "reasonable timetable".

I really think this whole business is coming to a close.

The only one who might be unhappy about it ending is V Stiviano, who is really milking and enjoying her 10 minutes of "fame".
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 11:26 am
ABC is reporting that Sterling has already signed the team over to his wife..
Quote:
Donald Sterling has signed the Los Angeles Clippers over to his wife Shelly, a source close to the team confirmed today to ABC News.

Shelly Sterling, who previously shared ownership of the beleaguered NBA franchise with her estranged husband, is now in talks with the NBA over selling the team, the source said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/donald-sterling-signs-los-angeles-clippers-wife-shelly/story?id=23843162
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 01:54 pm
It seems Sterling can't just sign over his controlling interest in the Clippers to his wife--the NBA would have to approve that. And the NBA is still seeking to terminate "current ownership interests in the Clippers"--which includes Shelly--so she might have already agreed to a voluntary sale.
Quote:
May 23, 2014
Reports: Clippers owner Donald Sterling allowing wife to negotiate sale of team

Disgraced Clippers owner Donald Sterling has reportedly agreed to allow his wife, Shelly, to negotiate a forced sale of the team, according to TMZ and ESPN.com.

Sterling, 80, has owned the Clippers for 33 years, making him the NBA’s longest-tenured owner. On Monday the league filed an official termination charge against Sterling, setting in motion an official vote amongst the league’s owners. The NBA is, for the moment, content to continue that course.

“We continue to follow the process set forth in the NBA Constitution regarding termination of the current ownership interests in the Los Angeles Clippers and are proceeding toward a hearing on this matter on June 3,” said NBA spokesman Mike Bass.

June 3 is the date of the NBA’s Board of Governors meeting, at which a vote to terminate Sterling’s ownership will take place. It is widely assumed that NBA commissioner Adam Silver will have the necessary support to secure the super-majority vote to terminate Sterling’s ownership. Silver has already imposed a lifetime ban and a $2.5 million fine on Sterling for his comments and all 30 teams, including the Clippers, expressed support for Silver following that punishment.

The potential sale of the Clippers prior to that point, though, could offer alternate means of resolution. The biggest remaining question on that front seems to concern Shelly Sterling, who previously had pledged to fight to keep her stake in the team. Based on both the language of the NBA’s memo and the consensus in reporting on the subject, we can conclude that the NBA will not likely sign off on any arrangement that allows Shelly Sterling to remain an owner. That she has been empowered by Sterling to carry out the negotiation of the sale of the team is thus an especially pertinent development in the execution of a potential deal.

Following the charge for Sterling’s termination earlier this week, attorney Pierce O’Donnell issued a statement on behalf of Shelly Sterling.

“We have just received the voluminous charges and are beginning the process of carefully reviewing them,” O’Donnell said. “Based on our initial assessment, we continue to believe there is no lawful basis for stripping Shelly Sterling of her 50 percent ownership interest in the Clippers. She is the innocent estranged spouse. We also continue to hope that we can resolve this dispute with the NBA for the good of all constituencies.”

If Shelly Sterling and her representatives maintain that position as this process moves forward, the ordeal of procuring new ownership for the Clippers could be dragged out yet. If instead she has decided to relinquish her stake in the team as part of a sale, the NBA will undoubtedly move toward a swift resolution. Regardless, SI.com’s Michael McCann noted earlier this month that controlling ownership of the team cannot be transferred to Shelly Sterling without approval:

If Shelly Sterling wants to become controlling owner of the Clippers, the league would have to approve such a step. The NBA would not approve Shelly Sterling as controlling owner, sources close to the situation tell SI.com. The league would have compelling grounds to deny her attempt, as it would seem to constitute an “end-around” of the NBA ousting her husband. Shelly Sterling has also been implicated in some of the allegations of racism against her husband, particularly those concerning their ownership and management of housing properties in Los Angeles. Consequently, the NBA could refer to those transgressions as legal justifications to deny a transfer of her ownership from non-controlling to controlling.

When sold, the Clippers are expected to fetch upwards of $1 billion. Any new owner would not only need to meet the NBA’s standards, but also be approved by a 3/4 majority vote among the league’s existing owners...
http://nba.si.com/2014/05/23/donald-sterling-agrees-to-sell-clippers/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 02:09 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
It seems Sterling can't just sign over his controlling interest in the Clippers to his wife-


Nor did he I think. HAs anyone seen a copy of the agreement? I figure he signed an agreement saying that she has his power of attorney for the purposes of a sale, nothing more.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 11:41 pm
More from Sports Illustrated's Michael McCann re Sterlings and Sports Law -

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140523/donald-sterling-wife-shelly-los-angeles-clippers-sale-nba/?eref=sihp
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 23 May, 2014 11:52 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:


this is self evident, which is why I have to figure it is a stall. Seems to me another attempt to delay the vote but I dont think the NBA will delay. Sterling needs to decide now what he wants to do, he is not going to be able to give his lawyers weeks or months (the first attempt as a 3 month stall) to figure it out.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 08:34 am
@ossobuco,
For those here who continued to claim that a sale of the team would be a financial boon to Sterling, thanks for never making that false, extraneous claim again.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 10:43 am
Some what ifs (there's talk of the sales pricing) -

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/It-s-hard-to-believe-what-Sterlings-say-5501842.php?cmpid=hp-hc-sports

Part of the article -
We're already hearing "hold on just a minute" when it comes to the specific legal ramifications, and you can find those details elsewhere. In essence, though, two basic truths are in play: Ever so slowly, the Sterlings are giving up the fight. And the bidding for this team, ripe for a Hollywood screenplay, will cause a major shakeup on the L.A. sports scene.

Let's assume that as summer unfolds, NBA Commissioner Adam Silver puts the finishing touches on the stranglehold he applied to Donald Sterling last month. Silver will then command final say on who buys the team. Can you imagine the bidding? The Magic Johnson/Guggenheim group will be fiercely involved. There are reports that Oprah Winfrey wants to team up with Larry Ellison and David Geffen, and that Yao Ming is assembling a group of Chinese investors. The sale price could well exceed $1 billion - and what's next? Does L.A. become a Clippers town?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 10:49 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
And even if the NBA agrees the sale would happen by when? When hell freezes over?


just heard on one of the 'tabloid' radio stations that Mrs. Sterling has announced the team is officially on the market - haven't found anything to confirm that but the whole matter so far has tended to have fire under the smoke so I'll keep looking around
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 11:13 am
I don't normally care for Stephen A. Smith, but in this instance, he speaks the truth!



Quote:
I ‘Don’t Give a Damn’: Popular ESPN Commentator Goes on EPIC Rant About Mark Cuban and Race After Being Labeled an ‘Uncle Tom’

ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith refused to backdown on Friday after he came under fire for defending Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban’s comments about bigotry in a recent interview. Despite being labeled an “Uncle Tom” and a “sellout” by some in the black community, Smith made it clear that he stands by what he said “100-fold.”

“‘Stephen A. Smith is a sellout,’ ‘Stephen A. Smith is an Uncle Tom,’ ‘Stephen A. Smith ain’t black,’ ‘you ain’t one of us’ — these are the kinds of things that were said to me yesterday,” Smith said on ESPN’s “First Take” Friday.

Regardless, he said he doesn’t care who disagrees with him and they would be smart not to expect an apology.

“When I say I don’t give a damn… that does it no justice,” Smith said. “I stand by everything that I said yesterday tenfold, 100-fold. And I don’t care who in the black community disagrees with me — I’m not interested in their disagreement on this particular issue because they are not looking at the bigger picture here.”

While Cuban did say he’d “cross the street” if he saw a black kid in a hoodie at night, he also said “in the same breath” that he’d have reservations about a bald guy with tattoos all over his body, he continued.

“Everybody wants to ignore that,” Smith said. “I don’t want to say everybody because I’m not speaking for everybody. … We want to pounce on him making this statement and alluding the black folks or talking about somebody in a hoodie that happens to be black… He talked about the prejudices that exist in all spectrums by all of us. Are we going to sit here and literally act like we don’t have any prejudices?”

Smith went on to argue that what Cuban said is “100 percent correct.” The commentator also addressed the “elephant in the room,” which he said many white people won’t talk about out of fear of being labeled “racist.”

“I look at our unemployment rate consistently being double that of folks in white America. I do understand that, to some degree, there’s a level of racism that we all have to overcome… but that doesn’t mean every single issue is race related,” he said. “Sometimes it is about how you represent yourself, it is about how you present yourself.”

He wasn’t even close to done:

“When I talk about not having a command of the English language, and still you want a job, and you want to have a career, but you don’t want to get your education, you don’t want to go out there and pound that pavement. Everything’s about the sprint, it’s not about the marathon, it’s not about you putting forth the necessary effort and due diligence over the long haul to get the thing you need. That’s a reality in our community.”

Smith also explained that not everyone in the black community can be Lebron James, Jay Z or Dwayne Wade — because they are “special.”

The rappers and professional athletes don’t represent the real “American dream,” they represent a “fantasy turned reality,” he added. Rather, Smith said he looks at himself as a good representation of that dream.

“Queens, New York City, left back in the fourth grade, grew up poor, the lever of education that I had was a public school system, I ultimately graduate from high school, I go to a historically black institution like Winston-Salem State University, I graduate with honors, there is no journalism program, I still graduate with honors, I still beat out thousands of people to get an internship… and I’m on national TV everyday.”
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:00 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
For those here who continued to claim that a sale of the team would be a financial boon to Sterling, thanks for never making that false, extraneous claim again.

???

What makes such a claim false?
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 03:36 pm
@Advocate,
Cuban's comment is symptomatic to the social stereotypes placed upon African-Americans as dangerous and Jesse Jackson's comment is symptomatic to the social stereotype that whites are helpless and weak. Both philosophies have been ingrained in our society. I think it's an irrational fear people have, but this fear such as the fear of a group of "kids wearing hoodies in a dark neighborhood" has racial undertones because society believes that "ethnic attire" such as sagging pants, hoodie, purple drink are all elements of a hostile culture.

As we've seen recently clothing makes no difference in whether someone wants to harm you. As we have seen with that Elliot kid who shot 7 people, his clothing was very much upscale yet he found a way to kill innocent people.

EDIT: Although Cuban acknowledged the of both white and black "suspicious people," I still stand by the classical association and misplaced stereotypes.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 03:41 pm
@Ticomaya,
Good video! This is the problem with selective outrage. People want to zero in on a particular said phrase as opposed to understanding the entire context.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 05:04 pm
@Buttermilk,

Quote:
Cuban's comment is symptomatic to the social stereotypes placed upon African-Americans as dangerous and Jesse Jackson's comment is symptomatic to the social stereotype that whites are helpless and weak. Both philosophies have been ingrained in our society. I think it's an irrational fear people have, but this fear such as the fear of a group of "kids wearing hoodies in a dark neighborhood" has racial undertones because society believes that "ethnic attire" such as sagging pants, hoodie, purple drink are all elements of a hostile culture.




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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_trends

Youth crime[edit]
The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2009) state that of gang members, 49% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are African-American/black, 9% are white, and 7% are other race/ethnicity.[34]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness.[35]


Homicide[edit]
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.[32][33]

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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 07:24 pm
@Buttermilk,
You evidently infer that Jesse Jackson felt safe that the folks behind him were white, and therefore helpless and weak. He felt safe because whites don't assault and rob passersby.
 

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