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Donald Sterling

 
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 10:38 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
Unreasonable or not, I'm pretty sure the NBA constitution is an enforceable contract.

Maybe not. As I understand it, one of the options Sterling is considering is to take the position that the NBA is in violation of anti-trust laws. If that's the case, then the NBA constitution may be unenforceable as a restraint of trade. From what little I know of the case, I don't think that's an unreasonable argument.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 10:53 am
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
one of the options Sterling is considering is to take the position that the NBA is in violation of anti-trust laws.
well now, that would sure make the NBA sorry that they picked this fight.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 10:54 am

Let 's suppose that owner confides his opinions in regard to abortion,
pro-war, anti-war or gun control and the players take offense at those points of vu.

Does that entitle them, morally or legally, to void their collective bargaining agreement to work??

If the commissioner is grossed out at those opinions
is he entitled to ban the expressive owner from attending ball games ?


How about George Zimmerman, if the commissioner is mad about his acquittal ?

How about ANY pariah, e.g. an outspoken cannibal ?





David
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 11:03 am
@ossobuco,
UCLA also said last week that they never intended to name a lab after Sterling, or to put a gold plaque in the lobby honoring him and his wife. But the self-promotional full page ad Sterling himself took out, made to deceptively appear as though UCLA had placed it, proclaimed they would.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-05-01-donaldSterlingUCLAadinLAtimes-thumb.jpg

That put UCLA in an even more awkward position, because Sterling made it seem as though they would be greatly honoring him, and helping to proclaim his name, when that was apparently not the case, although part of the intention of the ad, beside the obvious self-promotion on Sterling's part, may have been to try to pressure them into doing that.

So, I think it was already too late for UCLA to say they'd take the money "no strings attached" because Sterling's deceptive March ad had already pre-empted their announcement of the donation, and had already tried to capitalize on the donation in a self-aggrandizing way, and had implied UCLA had already agreed to honor him and his name. He was already using UCLA to enhance his own image, seemingly making them complicit in affirming his fine character.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 11:15 am
@firefly,
If he now has an extra $3,OOO,OOO.OO on his hands,
more than he wants, then I 'll be willing to accept it from him
and I 'll mount a gold colored plaque in gratitude! Yes!





David
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 11:23 am
Quote:
Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who received a lifetime ban from the NBA by commissioner Adam Silver, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper on Monday that he may accept the judgment his fellow owners render with regard to forcing the sale of his team.

“People want me to hire a wall of lawyers and [the NBA] to have to hire a wall of lawyers and go to war,” Sterling said. “I don’t think that’s the answer.

“I think the answer is, the league is a good league, all honest people. And I think that whatever they decide that has to be done, I think I should work with them and do it.”

However, when Cooper asked Sterling if he was willing to give up ownership of the Clippers, Sterling dismissed the idea in saying he did not believe that the league and its owners wanted that outcome.

“I’m a good owner,” Sterling said. “I have a good team. There are people that want to buy my team, but because the media says that the owners want me out doesn’t mean that they want me out.”
http://nba.si.com/2014/05/12/donald-sterling-legal-challenge-nba-los-angeles-clippers/

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Three other impressions from the interview and their legal impact

1. It's stunning Sterling's lawyers and public relations advisers would green light this interview

Cooper surprisingly revealed that Sterling was without legal counsel and public relations advisers for the interview. While "Sterling unscripted" may have been the real deal, genuineness was probably the wrong approach for someone with Sterling's cantankerous style and cringeworthy worldview. Indeed, Sterling used the interview as much to apologize as to savagely attack Johnson and offer archaic and ignorant generalizations about race. He also referred to the 31-year-old Stiviano as a "girl" rather than a woman. This was not a man who seemed "coached" by his handlers at all. Unfortunately for Sterling, he likely scored no points with the scorers: the other 29 controlling owners of NBA teams.

Sterling's responses to Cooper can also be used by the NBA as evidence when owners conduct a hearing about him. They can also be used in court should Sterling later file a lawsuit. This is why legal counsel likely would have strongly discouraged Sterling from speaking with Cooper: it created a transcript of admissible answers to a difficult questions asked by a skilled interviewer.

2. Sterling says he has no plans to sue ... yet

Sterling appeared to make a concerted effort to speak to other owners -- "partners" as he called them. He did so by directly apologizing to them and emphasizing that he "loves" every one of them. Sterling added that he doesn't want to fight his partners in court, although he didn't rule it out. Sterling is undoubtedly aware that he would avoid paying hundreds of millions in capital gain taxes if he can hold onto the team (a benefit first raised by Robert Raiola, senior manager in the Sports & Entertainment Group of the accounting firm O'Connor Davies, LLP, for SI.com). Sterling has perhaps reasoned that it is better to first try pleading to the friendship and loyalty of fellow owners than to threaten them. But if he's voted out, his tone may change swiftly and dramatically.

3. Adam Silver's apology to Magic Johnson sends a message to NBA owners

Sterling took sharp aim at Johnson during the interview, at one point saying of Johnson:

"Well, what kind of a guy goes to every city, he has sex with every girl, then he catches HIV and -- is that someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background ... But what does he do for the black people? Doesn't do anything." Silver apologized to Johnson on behalf of the NBA for Sterling's remarks. Silver expressed outrage that Johnson "continues to be dragged into this situation and be degraded by such a malicious and personal attack." Silver's apology was as much a statement to Johnson as it was an advisory to the 29 owners that they need rid the NBA of Sterling.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140513/donald-sterling-anderson-cooper-cnn-la-clippers/#ixzz31cJllsmQ
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 11:35 am
@firefly,
I dont see that Donald Sterling has much courage.
He is not an admirable American, particularly.





David
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 11:57 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Unreasonable or not, I'm pretty sure the NBA constitution is an enforceable contract.

Maybe not. As I understand it, one of the options Sterling is considering is to take the position that the NBA is in violation of anti-trust laws. If that's the case, then the NBA constitution may be unenforceable as a restraint of trade. From what little I know of the case, I don't think that's an unreasonable argument.

In that case, go Sterling! I hope he escalates it all the way to the Supreme Court, makes it overturn Federal Baseball Club v. National League, and gets the whole bunch of these sports rackets shut down.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:04 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:
Thomas wrote:
Unreasonable or not, I'm pretty sure the NBA constitution is an enforceable contract.

Maybe not. As I understand it, one of the options Sterling is considering is to take the position that the NBA is in violation of anti-trust laws. If that's the case, then the NBA constitution may be unenforceable as a restraint of trade. From what little I know of the case, I don't think that's an unreasonable argument.

In that case, go Sterling! I hope he escalates it all the way to the Supreme Court, makes it overturn Federal Baseball Club v. National League, and gets the whole bunch of these sports rackets shut down.
I join in your sentiments, Tom, tho I have little interest
in competitive athletics. I 'm not much inclined to watch guys
running around in circles in the grass, in summer.

R u interested in sports ??





David
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If the commissioner is grossed out at those opinions
is he entitled to ban the expressive owner from attending ball games ?

Yes he is. See article 24, section h, clause (i) of the NBA constitution: "The Commissioner shall have the power to suspend a Player, Coach, Member, Owner, or other person subject to the Commissioner’s jurisdiction for a definite or indefinite period and to impose such fines and other penalties as are authorized by Article 35, 35A or any other Article or Section relating thereto of this Constitution and By-Laws."

OmSigDavid wrote:
How about George Zimmerman, if the commissioner is mad about his acquittal ?

I'm guessing yes, because Zimmerman would be a spectator, and I'm guessing that a spectator qualifies as an "other person subject to the Commissioner's jurisdiction". The commissioner would have the same power over Zimmerman as he has over a player, coach, member, or owner. At least when it comes to banning him from games.

OmSigDavid wrote:
How about ANY pariah, e.g. an outspoken cannibal ?

Same thing. The way it looks to me, whoever wants to show up at a basketball game in any capacity can banned by the commissioner. The only check on this power seems to be 75% of the owners voting to terminate him.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:38 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
The NBA seems to be counting on the sentance (paraphrased) " the commissioner shall be the sole arbiter of when this agreement is violated" will keep the courts from claiming jurisdiction. I doubt it works.

I checked, and that's not what the NBA constitution says.

I need to correct this in part. In the process of reading Article 24 for my response to David, I think Hawkeye referred to article 24, section d) : "The Commissioner shall have exclusive, full, complete, and final jurisdiction of any dispute involving two (2) or more Members of the Association." I don't think it applies to Sterling, because terminating an owner is a specific procedure in its own right. If a court construed the termination as an article-24 dispute, articles 13 and 14 would be superfluous. Courts, I understand, have a policy against text interpretations that would render parts of a contract superfluous.

Nevertheless, the sentence that Hawkeye paraphrased is in the constitution after all, so I should correct my error.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
R u interested in sports ??

I waddle for fitness --- I'm too slow to call it "running" --- and occasionally participate when the New York Road Runners Club organizes a run in Central Park. That's about it.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:53 pm
@Thomas,
R u in Germany now ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 12:59 pm

The Moral of The Story is The Same As Samson and Delilah:
DON T go around promiscuously TRUSTING people!

THIS is what u get when u do that enuf.

Don (allegedly) knew that his mistress was taping him.
He ASSumed that she wud not hurt him.

U think he still believes that ?





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 02:25 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
I waddle for fitness --- I'm too slow to call it "running" --- and occasionally participate when the New York Road Runners Club organizes a run in Central Park. That's about it.


footnote I was watching c-span and hear how in the 1880s to 1890s six days indoor walking races was a major in fact at the time the major national sport.

With New York City being the center of those sporting events.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 02:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Don (allegedly) knew that his mistress was taping him.
He ASSumed that she wud not hurt him.

U think he still believes that ?


How can anyone live without having people they trust as a matter of course?

My bet would be that all the current NBA owners have such relationships and if and when they go along with taking away Stirling rights to his team for having a private conversation with such a person in his life then they are all would be placing themselves in harm way.

A bitter wife or an bitter mistress or friend and any non-pc comment over the years could be turn against them to take away their property rights to their teams.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 02:56 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
In that case, go Sterling! I hope he escalates it all the way to the Supreme Court, makes it overturn Federal Baseball Club v. National League, and gets the whole bunch of these sports rackets shut down.

Yeah, stick it to the man!
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 03:12 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
i'd settle for half that in cash
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 04:10 pm
I'm close to positive I gave a link for an article saying the first tape was demanded of V by Mrs. Sterling's attorneys (she was or is going after V for misusing him financially). Presumably from whence it flowed.. maybe not the actual attorneys. But oddly, I don't think it was sold to media by V, who I'm no fan of.

I haven't read anything about that since, but aside from the fact that she was not a controlling owner, I think that - if true - is one more reason to takes Mrs. Sterling as a participant in the greater mess.

(I'm still stuck on the privacy issue, though I want Sterling out and hope that doesn't turn out to be the key.)
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 13 May, 2014 07:25 pm
@ossobuco,
I don't remember such a link, and I've followed your links, osso.

V claims she gave the tape to a friend for safe-keeping, and the friend leaked it to TMZ. V claims Sterling knew he was being taped, I think he denies that, but he's vague on that point. So the privacy issue is really between V and Sterling.

Mrs Sterling had nothing to do with the tape, or its release. Neither she nor her attorney demanded the tape from V.

Privacy issues really have nothing to do with the NBA's actions. Sterling's comments affected them only after they had already become public. They didn't invade his privacy and record the statements. But, once public, the tape revealed racist attitudes, and attitudes that directly affected/impacted the sport of basketball where the overwhelming majority of players are black.

You might find this interesting. It's a related point.
Quote:
Chuck Klosterman
THE ETHICIST

What Exactly Was Donald Sterling’s Offense?
MAY 13, 2014

We can probably agree that the Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling made offensive comments. But was his offense thinking racist thoughts? Or saying them out loud? Had he not been recorded, Sterling would have received a lifetime achievement award from the N.A.A.C.P. The victim of his remarks was himself: Sterling managed to (further) trash his own reputation. No one else was really injured. Is purity of thought the expectation for team owners? MARK ALEXANDER, ST. LOUIS

Many have asked if the N.B.A. is ethically justified in its effort to force Sterling to sell his ownership stake in the Clippers. It is. Sports franchises can’t be viewed as autonomous private businesses, because they don’t operate in that way. The league as a whole is the business, composed of 30 satellite offices in various cities. The teams are interconnected and some revenue is shared; this is why most players can be traded against their will, and rookie salaries can be capped. Purchasing an N.B.A. team is similar to buying a McDonald’s franchise. And if a specific McDonald’s outlet decided to have its counter employees wear Ku Klux Klan robes, few would disagree with corporate if it removed the proprietor of that store.

Your question, however, is harder (and it has scarcely been asked throughout this whole fiasco): Is Sterling losing his franchise because of what he said, or because of what he believes?

Because of Sterling’s history of suspected racism (as a landlord, he has been sued twice for housing discrimination, and though he denied wrongdoing, settled both cases out of court) and the bizarre contradictions on the tape itself (speaking to a female acquaintance, Sterling says he does not want her bringing black people to Clippers games, despite employing a black coach and a predominantly black roster), the decision to oust him feels easy. But what if the details were more obscured? Imagine if, six months ago, someone had raised the hypothetical notion of forcibly stripping a sports franchise from a longtime owner because a private conversation had been surreptitiously recorded. Few would champion such a premise. Yet Sterling’s punishment received almost universal support. Why? It was not simply what he said, nor simply what he believes — it was the intractable collision of those two things.

The expectation of an N.B.A. owner is not “purity of thought.” Sterling was perceived to be racist for years. But perception isn’t enough. You can’t penalize a person based on what you believe exists inside his mind. It must spill into the world. And this audiotape did exactly that. Had it been another owner’s voice on the tape — say, Mark Cuban of the Dallas Mavericks — there still would have been questions over the sentiment’s context. It would have seemed completely out of step with everything we know about Cuban. But with Sterling, there was no such incongruity. His words validated the longstanding perception of his worldview, and that made both problems nonnegotiable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/magazine/what-exactly-was-donald-sterlings-offense.html?ref=magazine
 

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