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Donald Sterling

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I doubt that there is a case that says
that anyone has to give away his property to the blacks; un-likely.

And you probably think there are still signs in businesses that say " we refuse the right to deny service". Activist courts have decided that you dont have the rights that you used to have, that you think you have.

But thats all right, your bosses are making America a better place!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:30 pm
Does anyone besides me get a little chuckle suspecting that the same people claiming that the NBA has the right to force Sterling out " because reaction to him cost them money" also disagree with the Supremes on Citizen united? Money should not matter in one situation, money is everything in the other.

What this case boils down to with the money argument is " the mob demands your head, your still possessing it is costing us money, so your head needs to go!"

Justice it ain't.

We used to be better than this.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The fact that they have a CBA which would have outlawed such a strike seems to not matter to them, which says all we need to know about labor. But these same people will of course continue to swear up and down that Sterling can be ridden out of town because of contracts he signed.

Meanwhile, a walkout, had Silver not acted immediately to ban Sterling, would have disrupted basketball.
Quote:
April 29, 2014
Warriors planned Game 5 walkout if Clippers’ Donald Sterling wasn’t banned

NBA commissioner Adam Silver has been widely praised for his harsh punishment of disgraced Clippers owner Donald Sterling, but he could have been facing a much different response had he taken a softer approach.

Silver issued a lifetime ban and a maximum $2.5 million fine to Sterling during a press conference in New York City on Tuesday, while also pledging to do “everything in my power” to remove Sterling as owner of the Clippers. The punishment came down less than eight hours before the Clippers and Warriors were set to play Game 5 of their first-round playoff series at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

The Bay Area News Group reports that the Warriors had forged plans to stage a walkout at the start of Game 5 if they were unsatisfied with Silver’s handling of the controversy, which began on Friday when audio tapes were released that included Sterling making a series of racist remarks.

The Warriors were going to go through pre-game warm-ups and take part in the national anthem and starting line-up introductions. They were going to take the floor for the jump ball, dapping up the Clippers players as is customary before games.

Then once the ball was in the air, they were just going to walk off. All 15 of them.

“It would have been our only chance to make a statement in front of the biggest audience that we weren’t going to accept anything but the maximum punishment,” [Stephen] Curry said. “We would deal with the consequences later but we were not going to play.”

Curry, David Lee, Jermaine O’Neal and Draymond Green were all reportedly involved in the planning of the walkout.

National Basketball Players Association vice president Roger Mason Jr. said at a Tuesday press conference in Los Angeles that players across the league were prepared to boycott in the event that Silver’s punishment of Sterling wasn’t sufficiently harsh.

“We will not be discriminated against,” Mason said. “I reached out to other players around the league and made it clear that the players were ready to boycott the games if this type of action wasn’t something Adam Silver felt was necessary. I’m happy to come here today and say that as players we’re very happy with the decision.”

Since the controversy began last Friday, a number of teams — including the Clippers, Heat, Rockets, and Blazers – have all participated in silent protests against Sterling by wearing their warm-up shirts inside out or donning black socks during their recent playoff games.
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-warriors-boycott-walk-out-adam-silver-clippers/
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:46 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
But ending a relationship is quite different to forcing you to sell a major piece of your property.


in Mr. Sterling's case, his relationship is with the NBA. If they have a contract that ends the relationship, out he goes.

and the Clippers are not a major piece of Mr. Sterling's property. It's pocket change to him. It gave him some social cachet, but it's not worth big $$ in the scheme of his finances (at least if his wife's demands are to be believed)
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:55 pm
@Lash,
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Buttermilk could be a valuable addition to our super white perspectives, and I would be glad if he stayed. Arguments or no.


To me there are one hell of a lot of more logical and less emotional members of the black race that does not claimed the right to label anyone who dare to disagree with them as racists or demand that others mount attacks on those they disagree with and therefore consider racists.

A younger version of Bill Cosby or even a Louis Farrakhan he is not.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:04 pm
@ehBeth,
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I know that if someone told me that I couldn't associate with black people, our relationship would be over


That would be fine for her if she wished to give up having any new 70,ooo dollars bags or whatever however he did not indeed stated that she could not associate with black men or even go to bed with black men just not have public pictures taken with them.

There was no racist slurs words and indeed given the private nature of the conversation and the likely relationship between them it was a mild racist comment indeed that should have been no one else business but the two of them.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:19 pm
I just watched Sterling's interview with Anderson Cooper.

He said, if the other owners vote to force him to sell the team, he won't fight it.

On the whole, I don't think he did himself any favors with the interview. I didn't find his apology convincing, he just sounds sort of desparate.

And I think his comments about Magic Johnson were ill-advised, for someone who is trying to apologize, and they will likely contribute more to the controversy and negative feeling toward Sterling. Cooper's guest tomorrow night will be Magic Johnson--who is going to respond.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:32 pm
@Lash,
I just read somewhere - was it here, in the last hour? - that it's not exactly his property in the usual way. I think firefly explained that but not sure, since in the meantime, while I was microwaving some already cooked and sauced shrimp and came back to my computer (where I've been playing fantasy baseball) and found an apparent message from the FBI that my browser had been blocked and all my files encrypted and much else. Well, hells bells! Something about looking at porn or copywrited material..

Anyway, I got rid of that by rebooting and emptying cache and cookies, blah blah blah, and then I had to sign in to all again, so I've blanked on the explanation re Sterling and it being his property - something about that it is under the proviso stipulated by the NBA.

Sort of a circle..
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:47 pm
@BillRM,
But, Bill. You and I aren't the most center-of-the-road spokespeople for the white race, either. Why should we expect more of him? He can offer us something new to consider.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:47 pm
@ossobuco,
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found an apparent message from the FBI that my browser had been blocked and all my files encrypted and much else. Well, hells bells! Something about looking at porn or copywrited material..


Footnote for everyone running a window machine from windows xp to windows eight I would strongly suggest getting the free version of sandboxie and using it to run your browsers in it sandbox.

It will prevent 99.999 percents of malware from getting to your OS proper and any malware that does get by your anti-virus and browser software will be wiped away upon closing your browser session.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:50 pm
@ossobuco,
Ownership of professional sports teams seems to be a rather different world.

Each owner seems to be part of their league at the discretion of all the other owners.

an example from the NHL world where the league prevented the sale of the team a few times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Coyotes

Quote:
The NHL took over ownership of the Phoenix Coyotes franchise in 2009 after previous owner Jerry Moyes (who had incurred massive financial losses since his purchase of the team in 2005) turned it over to the league after declaring bankruptcy.

Prior to that, Moyes had previously attempted to privately sell the team to Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie, who wanted to relocate the team to Hamilton, Ontario.[4] but the NHL protested that the attempted sale was a violation of league policy and a court agreed.[5]

In the years that followed, the league resisted selling the team to interests that would have moved the team out of the Phoenix area, and on July 3, 2013, reached an agreement that will keep the team in Glendale for the near future.

The sale to IceArizona Acquisition Co., LLC. was completed on August 5, 2013.[6]
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:58 pm
@ehBeth,
It is a club, but the club still needs to honor contracts. I know the NBA insists that what ever the commish says is the law of the NBA, but the law of the USA (the courts) is going to have to sign off. No league has ever tried what the NBA is trying, so we will see assuming that Sterling takes this to the courts, and I am betting he does no matter what he told Cooper.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 07:59 pm
@Lash,
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He can offer us something new to consider


I very respectfully disagree with you as he seems to view any discussions of the greater problems that black men and women and more important black children face in this society as a racist attacked.

No child should be born with a lesser chance in life due to such factors as the color of his or her skin and that is surely not true at the moment for most and it is not all the fault of the past history of slavery, or white racism.

Nor do I care for his thinking that any white person who post anything he does not care for touching on race should be silent as once more a racist.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
but the law of the USA (the courts) is going to have to sign off. No league has ever tried what the NBA is trying


the NHL has prevented people from selling their teams by enforcing their league contract. A forced sale could be the flip side of the same type of contract in the NBA.

Team owners can't just do what they want. They've got to stay inside the contract.

American courts seem to usually like contracts, even when they seem weird to those of us outside of the contracts.

Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:14 pm
@BillRM,
Yeah, I disagreed with his big accusation, but he's a kid. We could all help each other a bit, I think, somewhere down the line. None of us has reached pristine condition quite yet. (grin)
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:15 pm
@ehBeth,
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Team owners can't just do what they want. They've got to stay inside the contract.


You do know that he moved his team from one city to another without league permission and when the then commissioner at the time issue a 25 millions dollar fine he counter suit the commissioner for a 100 millions dollars and the results was the fine was drop to 2 millions?

It not that simple and team owners do have a great deal of independent power over their teams and have great legal rights.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:26 pm
@ehBeth,
Lash wrote:

It seems messed up to me that a group can latch on to MILD racist comments
ehBeth wrote:


mild?

I know that if someone told me that I couldn't associate with black people,
our relationship would be over.

In any case, it doesn't matter what you or I think.

What matters is the various groups that Mr. Sterling has contracts with.
If he's stepped over the line in a way that impacts the contract or
business relationship, he's going to be **** out of luck.




It will cost him one way or another.
He can OFFSET the loss
by selling his team for many times his original investment,
according to printed evaluations. He shud be very happy.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Selling the team now will cost a couple hundred million more in taxes then if he had followed his plan...how would you take a $200 million unplanned expense? Happy, right?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:33 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Knowing most everyone talking.
OK. That sounds competent.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 08:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Activist courts have decided that you dont have
the rights that you used to have, that you think you have.
I will not prove a negative.
I doubt that it has gotten quite that bad.
We 'll see what happens.





David




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