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Donald Sterling

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 04:51 pm
@Lash,
WHAT "super white perspectives" are these ?

Sounds like I missed something.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:01 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Quote:
now it means vocalizing that you dont like groups that you are "supposed" to like


It go way way beyond that, see some of Buttermilk postings, it is racism to post anything that a member of such groups do not wish to hear or care for and it is even borderline racism to not repeat not to take part in attacking anyone who dare to post anything that those group members do not wish to hear.

Poor Buttermilk took to task a number of members here who did not attacked me for my postings.
I think it was helpful in showing the AUTHORITY
that he and his ilk wud wield over us, if he were ABLE to do so.
That is the face of the enemy.





David
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:05 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

It IS about his property (tickets) being given away for free
without his permission by his mistress, who had access to them,
and his raising an objection. That is what I "know".


David


It's pretty clear from your posts that you're not interested in discovering what this matter is about. I'd suggest there's no upside in broadcasting what you "know" when you haven't paid any attention to what's going on here.

It is NOT about the tickets. Or at least, the tickets are a very minor factor, if they come into play at all.

Since I've noticed you don't read what's behind links people post, I'm not going to bother - but I do suggest you actually bring yourself up to date about the matter before posting further (if you don't want your comments to look silly).
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:06 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I think there's another way to look at it, David.

If our history in this country was the one that Buttermilk emerged from, or the one that Jews emerged from in Europe - we may be scrutinizing what passes for acceptable in the public sector - and we may guard our freedom and treatment very rabidly.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:07 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Do you also think this situation is about tickets being given away to blacks rather than paid for by them?

There is such a thing as reality--generally agreed on by a consensus in perception of events. This situation has nothing to do with the sort of fanciful thinking David is engaging in with the ticket nonsense.

You stop playing "thought-sheriff"--if I think David sounds like a jerk, I'll call him a jerk.


word


(who ever thought I'd say that about a ff post?)
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:09 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Our community here is almost 100% white. We don't know what it's like to live in this country as black Americans. Therefore, our perceptions hinge on our experiences - not black experiences. It's not our fault. Just a fact.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:09 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
But Sterling didn't advertise," Maher explained, "He was bugged. "


well no
apparently he was being taped at his own request
it wasn't a secret to him that he was being taped
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:10 pm
@ehBeth,
I think the tickets and who paid for them may have been a contributing factor in Sterling's comments. Doesn't mean there wasn't a bad racial component at all - but still, a factor.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:14 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Our community here is almost 100% white.
What is the source of your information on this point ?
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:17 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Knowing most everyone talking.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:19 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I think the tickets and who paid for them may have been a contributing factor in Sterling's comments.
Doesn't mean there wasn't a bad racial component at all - but still, a factor.
We have INFINITE discretion qua to whom we make free gifts
and to whom we dont.



This is a case of Stalinesque THOUGHT POLICING.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:28 pm
@Lash,
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-stiviano-20140428-story.html

Quote:
A photo Stiviano posted on Instagram of herself with Lakers legend Magic Johnson was the main topic of a taped conversation in which a man said to be Clippers owner Donald Sterling asks her not to publicly associate with African Americans.


Quote:
On the tape, Stiviano asks if she should change the color of her skin. The man identified as Sterling said "that isn't the issue" but asks why she is "taking pictures with minorities," referring to Johnson.

"What's wrong with minorities? What's wrong with black people?" Stiviano says.

On another tape, apparently a different portion of the same conversation that was posted by the sports website Deadspin on Sunday, Stiviano says she removed photos of black people from her Instagram. She kept a photo of herself with Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp because Kemp is light-skinned, she says.

"I didn't remove Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, but I thought Matt Kemp is mixed, and he was OK, just like me.... He's lighter and whiter than me," she says.

Throughout the tapes, Stiviano is heard challenging the request that she scrub African Americans from her social media pages. At one point, she asks if she would be allowed to post a photo of Larry Bird.

"You're supposed to be a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl," the man said to be Sterling says at one point.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/v-stiviano-lawyer-denies-mistress

Quote:
Nehoray said Stiviano, 31, made the recording of Sterling, but had no role in its release to the website TMZ. According to Nehoray, the recorded conversation took place in Stiviano's home. Sterling, 80, knew he was being recorded, and another person was present in the room, Nehoray said. On the recording, Sterling can be heard telling Stiviano not to bring black people to his basketball games, along with numerous other racist comments.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:31 pm
more on the housing discrimination charges back in 2003/2010

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810

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What's even more disturbing? Sterling was sued for housing discrimination by 19 plaintiffs in 2003, according to The Associated Press.

In this case, Sterling was accused of trying to drive blacks and Latinos out of buildings he owned in Koreatown.

In November, Sterling was ordered to pay a massive settlement in that case.

Terms were not disclosed, but the presiding judge said this was "one of the largest" settlements ever in this sort of matter.

The tip of the iceberg: Sterling had to play $5 million just for the plaintiffs' attorney fees.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 05:37 pm
@ehBeth,
It seems messed up to me that a group can latch on to MILD racist comments to try to get a guy for past injustices. Why didn't they cite the worse landlord issue? I just don't think it's supportable to go at it in this manner.

It smacks of a witchhunt.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:07 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
I think the tickets and who paid for them may have been a contributing factor in Sterling's comments.
the courts have broadly inserted themselves into deciding where americans spend our money and have invalidated freedom of choice in business associations. We used to be able to decide where our money goes and who we do business with, but no more. A few months ago a baker lost a case where they refused to make a cake because they dont believe in gay weddings. Until the courts got so full of themselves this never would have happened. Sterling likely did not have the right to demand that his money not be used to get blacks into the arena.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:10 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
It seems messed up to me that a group can latch on to MILD racist comments to try to get a guy for past injustices. Why didn't they cite the worse landlord issue

The issue this time is how his comments affected and impacted the NBA and professional basketball. That's the basic justification the NBA has for taking action--that his continued connection to them is injurious to them, and to professional basketball--his comments and views caused financial loss, and dissension from the players, all of this affects the other owners, etc. So, they're ostensibly not trying "to get a guy for past injustices" but rather for his current negative and damaging effect on the NBA and basketball.

There was a massive response from NBA players, their union threatened a walkout if he wasn't removed, his own team put their warm-up tops on inside-out to show they didn't want to wear the Clippers logo for him. And at least $2 million in corporate sponsorships was withdrawn from the Clippers immediately, because sponsors didn't want their brand associated with Sterling.

Some people didn't find his racist comments to be "mild". Michael Jordan, who is another NBA owner, certainly didn't. He called them "sickening and offensive." And, as an owner, Jordan is one of the people who has a deciding vote in whether Sterling should be forced to sell his team.
Quote:
Former NBA great, Hall-of-Famer, and current Bobcats owner Michael Jordan issued a statement Sunday regarding the alleged racist comments from Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

"I look at this from two perspectives -- as a current owner and as a former player. As an owner, I'm obviously disgusted that a fellow team owner could hold such sickening and offensive views. I'm confident that Adam Silver will make a full investigation and take appropriate action quickly.

As a former player, I'm completely outraged. There is no room in the NBA -- or anywhere else -- for the kind of racism and hatred that Mr. Sterling allegedly expressed. I am appalled that this type of ignorance still exists within our country and at the highest levels of our sport. In a league where the majority of players are African-American, we cannot and must not tolerate discrimination at any level. "

The statement comes as a change in M.O for the Bulls legend, who has always shied away from political situations and controversy. The strength of the language illustrates the widespread outrage at the alleged comments.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24541870/michael-jordan-issues-statement-on-alleged-sterling-racist-remarks





hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:15 pm
@firefly,
Quote:

There was a massive response from NBA players, their union threatened a walkout if he wasn't removed,


The fact that they have a CBA which would have outlawed such a strike seems to not matter to them, which says all we need to know about labor. But these same people will of course continue to swear up and down that Sterling can be ridden out of town because of contracts he signed.

Contracts matter, till they dont.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I think the tickets and who paid for them may have been a contributing factor in Sterling's comments.
Sterling likely did not have the right to demand that his money
not be used to get blacks into the arena.
I doubt that there is a case that says
that anyone has to give away his property to the blacks; un-likely.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:20 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It seems messed up to me that a group can latch on to MILD racist comments


mild?

I know that if someone told me that I couldn't associate with black people, our relationship would be over.

In any case, it doesn't matter what you or I think.

What matters is the various groups that Mr. Sterling has contracts with. If he's stepped over the line in a way that impacts the contract or business relationship, he's going to be **** out of luck. It will cost him one way or another.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 06:23 pm
@ehBeth,
Well, I have to agree. But ending a relationship is quite different to forcing you to sell a major piece of your property.

As to the balance of your comment - yes. That's what we're waiting on. The outcome of the legalese he signed. Looks flimsy after reading Thomas' linked article. Watching, piqued!
 

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