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Donald Sterling

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 10:26 am
Sterling was just interviewed by the CNN's Anderson Co0per, with Sterling apologizing to everyone. He said he should not be punished for his one little mistake. He also said that Magic Johnson was never helpful to minorities.

His wife is now trying to grab control of the team, but the team is demanding that neither Sterling nor his wife should retain control.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:18 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
From his last interview he sound like he feel that he is too old and too tired to fight even if his wife is more the willing to do so.

Hell of a precedent to be set without challenge and once more if I was an owner I would not be happy about the idea that my ownership rights could be removed in such a manner over a private conversation that was likely illegally recorded.

They aren't considering forcing the sale of the team just because of the comments he made to his girlfriend in a private conversation. That's your simplistic view of it.

The NBA had nothing to do with the making of the recording or its release. Their action is based on the harm Sterling's comments caused to them, to their organization, after those remarks became public. The harm to them is not somehow less because the remarks were initially made "in private"--so I'm not sure that entire issue is relevant from the position of the NBA.

This isn't an issue just between Silver and Sterling either. There was financial harm in the immediate withdrawal of corporate sponsorships--at least $2 million worth, because those sponsors didn't want their corporate images damaged by any association with Sterling. The players threatened a walk-out if Sterling wasn't gone, so Sterling's biased remarks were damaging to professional basketball because of the dissension his comments caused in a sport with predominantly black players. And all of that threatens the interests of the other owners as well. Silver had to act/react rather quickly, which he did with the lifetime ban, in order to contain the damage that was being done to the NBA.

Unless you understand the NBA's position, which you don't seem to, you really can't comprehend their actions, or why other owners might vote to force a sale. They are on the receiving end of the damage caused by Sterling's remarks after they became public. The only option they may have, to protect themselves from still further damage, may be to sever all association with him by forcing a sale of his team.

I've only seen snips of Sterling's interview with Anderson Cooper, I'll try to watch the entire interview when it is broadcast tonight.

But, from the little I've see, it's a mea culpa, although not a very convincing one. He says he knows he's hurt people, including the people on his team, and he's sorry for that.

Unlike you, Sterling knows this isn't just about the legal issues, it's about the content of what he said--his remarks about blacks--and the emotional impact of what he said on the players and fans--not to mention the corporate sponsors.

And he admits what he said in that conversation was wrong, he just tries to chalk it up as "one mistake" for which he "asks forgiveness". He also claims his girlfriend "baited" him into saying these things, and that he's not "a racist". His past history of racial discrimination in housing seems to make this not a one-time thing, and it's not something that's just "a mistake".

To make matters worse, he takes another pot shot at Magic Johnson in that interview, which is likely to throw more fuel on the racial fire. This man really doesn't get it.

Donald Sterling is a man who is desperately trying to deal with the fact that his chickens, in terms of his racial biases, have come home to roost--and in a sport that is dominated by black players. He's damaged his own brand and name, and he knows this isn't just about the legal issues.



BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:20 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
His wife is now trying to grab control of the team, but the team is demanding that neither Sterling nor his wife should retain control.


As I had already stated the idea that players should have some say in who the hell the owner of the Clipper is I am sure is not making the other owners happy.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:24 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
We had a couple hundred thousand dead and wounded,


Even throwing in the wounded that number seems high on it face so please link to the source of your numbers....thanks.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:26 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
From his last interview he sound like he feel that he is too old and too tired to fight even if his wife is more the willing to do so.

Hell of a precedent to be set without challenge and once more if I was an owner I would not be happy about the idea that my ownership rights could be removed in such a manner over a private conversation that was likely illegally recorded.

They aren't considering forcing the sale of the team just because of the comments he made to his girlfriend in a private conversation. That's your simplistic view of it.

The NBA had nothing to do with the making of the recording or its release. Their action is based on the harm Sterling's comments caused to them, to their organization, after those remarks became public. The harm to them is not somehow less because the remarks were initially made "in private"--so I'm not sure that entire issue is relevant from the position of the NBA.

This isn't an issue just between Silver and Sterling either. There was financial harm in the immediate withdrawal of corporate sponsorships--at least $2 million worth, because those sponsors didn't want their corporate images damaged by any association with Sterling. The players threatened a walk-out if Sterling wasn't gone, so Sterling's biased remarks were damaging to professional basketball because of the dissension his comments caused in a sport with predominantly black players. And all of that threatens the interests of the other owners as well. Silver had to act/react rather quickly, which he did with the lifetime ban, in order to contain the damage that was being done to the NBA.

Unless you understand the NBA's position, which you don't seem to, you really can't comprehend their actions, or why other owners might vote to force a sale. They are on the receiving end of the damage caused by Sterling's remarks after they became public. The only option they may have, to protect themselves from still further damage, may be to sever all association with him by forcing a sale of his team.

I've only seen snips of Sterling's interview with Anderson Cooper, I'll try to watch the entire interview when it is broadcast tonight.

But, from the little I've see, it's a mea culpa, although not a very convincing one. He says he knows he's hurt people, including the people on his team, and he's sorry for that.

Unlike you, Sterling knows this isn't just about the legal issues, it's about the content of what he said--his remarks about blacks--and the emotional impact of what he said on the players and fans--not to mention the corporate sponsors.

And he admits what he said in that conversation was wrong, he just tries to chalk it up as "one mistake" for which he "asks forgiveness". He also claims his girlfriend "baited" him into saying these things, and that he's not "a racist". His past history of racial discrimination in housing seems to make this not a one-time thing, and it's not something that's just "a mistake".

To make matters worse, he takes another pot shot at Magic Johnson in that interview, which is likely to throw more fuel on the racial fire. This man really doesn't get it.

Donald Sterling is a man who is desperately trying to deal with the fact that his chickens, in terms of his racial biases, have come home to roost--and in a sport that is dominated by black players. He's damaged his own brand and name, and he knows this isn't just about the legal issues.
IF he really is a billionaire or multi-billionaire, as has been alleged of him,
then the team is probably just a toy to him.

What difference does it make ?

Like losing one of his cars to a traffic accident.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:33 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
As I had already stated the idea that players should have some say in who the hell the owner of the Clipper is I am sure is not making the other owners happy.

Really? You do realize that Michael Jordan is one of those other owners, don't you?
Quote:
Former NBA great, Hall-of-Famer, and current Bobcats owner Michael Jordan issued a statement Sunday regarding the alleged racist comments from Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

"I look at this from two perspectives -- as a current owner and as a former player. As an owner, I'm obviously disgusted that a fellow team owner could hold such sickening and offensive views. I'm confident that Adam Silver will make a full investigation and take appropriate action quickly.

As a former player, I'm completely outraged. There is no room in the NBA -- or anywhere else -- for the kind of racism and hatred that Mr. Sterling allegedly expressed. I am appalled that this type of ignorance still exists within our country and at the highest levels of our sport. In a league where the majority of players are African-American, we cannot and must not tolerate discrimination at any level. "

The statement comes as a change in M.O for the Bulls legend, who has always shied away from political situations and controversy. The strength of the language illustrates the widespread outrage at the alleged comments.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24541870/michael-jordan-issues-statement-on-alleged-sterling-racist-remarks


Tune into reality, BillRM.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:41 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
As I had already stated the idea that players should have some say in who the hell the owner of the Clipper is I am sure is not making the other owners happy.

Really? You do realize that Michael Jordan is one of those other owners.
Quote:
Former NBA great, Hall-of-Famer, and current Bobcats owner Michael Jordan issued a statement Sunday regarding the alleged racist comments from Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

"I look at this from two perspectives -- as a current owner and as a former player. As an owner, I'm obviously disgusted that a fellow team owner could hold such sickening and offensive views. I'm confident that Adam Silver will make a full investigation and take appropriate action quickly.

As a former player, I'm completely outraged. There is no room in the NBA -- or anywhere else -- for the kind of racism and hatred that Mr. Sterling allegedly expressed. I am appalled that this type of ignorance still exists within our country and at the highest levels of our sport. In a league where the majority of players are African-American, we cannot and must not tolerate discrimination at any level. "

The statement comes as a change in M.O for the Bulls legend, who has always shied away from political situations and controversy. The strength of the language illustrates the widespread outrage at the alleged comments.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24541870/michael-jordan-issues-statement-on-alleged-sterling-racist-remarks


Tune into reality, BillRM.
Some nerve!
He tells us that there is only room in sports for HIS OPINION.
Everyone else shud censor himself.

I am "appalled" at anyone that supports gun control.
No one that supports it shud be allowed to attend a ball game; "no room".





David

BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:44 am
@firefly,
Quote:
They aren't considering forcing the sale of the team just because of the comments he made to his girlfriend in a private conversation. That's your simplistic view of it.


They had a new commission that did not used good judgment as given his age and health a few years suspension and a big fine to be paid to benefit the black community would had been more then enough.

Hell Sliver could had suspense him for a few years and then made him have a hearing to decide if he should be given back control of his team.

There was surely no need to try to force him to sell his property and by doing so placed every other owner at risk if any private non-PC comment was every recorded of their.

Maybe you are without "sin" and can throw that first rock but somehow I do not see any of the other owners of the NBA being able to match your perfection.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Really? You do realize that Michael Jordan is one of those other owners.


Surely and he is not completely safe from, in the moment, of making a slur toward some group in a private conversation!!!!!!!!

Or are you claiming that only a slur and not even a slur for that matter toward blacks call for this kind of media driven outrage?

footnote the polls already have more for Stirling keeping his team then not.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Really? You do realize that Michael Jordan is one of those other owners.


Surely and he is not completely safe from, in the moment, of making a slur toward some group in a private conversation!!!!!!!!

Or are you claiming that only a slur and not even a slur for that matter toward blacks call for this kind of media driven outrage?

footnote the polls already have more for Stirling keeping his team then not.
In response to your question,
if u look above, then u will see that I already posted:
DAVID wrote:
I am "appalled" at anyone that supports gun control.
No one that supports it shud be allowed to attend a ball game; "no room".

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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 11:56 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He tells us that there is only room in sports for HIS OPINION.
Everyone else shud censor himself.

I am "appalled" at anyone that supports gun control.
No one that supports it shud be allowed to attend a ball game; "no room".


But, his opinion is that of an owner, so he's going to have a vote on whether to force a sale of the Clippers.

That alone makes his opinion more important than yours in deciding whether Sterling should be forced to sell his team.

Jordon's not saying anyone should be censored. But statements and attitudes affect other people, they have consequences. Sterling is now dealing with the consequences. He's offended other owners and the players, and those people have input into what happens regarding future ownership of Sterling's team.

And Jordan clearly contradicts BillRM's foolish statement that the other owners wouldn't be happy about the players having any say in who owns the Clippers. Jordan is obviously backing the players on this one.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 12:11 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
He tells us that there is only room in sports for HIS OPINION.
Everyone else shud censor himself.

I am "appalled" at anyone that supports gun control.
No one that supports it shud be allowed to attend a ball game; "no room".


But, his opinion is that of an owner, so he's going to have a vote on whether to force a sale of the Clippers.

That alone makes his opinion more important than yours in deciding whether Sterling should be forced to sell his team.

Jordon's not saying anyone should be censored.
His quote set forth above, essentially says: "agree with me, or shut the hell up
and stay away from ball games." [He did not indicate whether
he is willing to allow dissenters to play cross-word puzzles.]
Jordan wrote:
"I look at this from two perspectives -- as a current owner and as a former player. As an owner, I'm obviously disgusted that a fellow team owner could hold such sickening and offensive views. I'm confident that Adam Silver will make a full investigation and take appropriate action quickly.

As a former player, I'm completely outraged. There is no room in the NBA -- or anywhere else -- for the kind of racism and hatred that Mr. Sterling allegedly expressed. I am appalled that this type of ignorance still exists within our country and at the highest levels of our sport.
Note that this censorship notion can be applied against any idea.
Anti-war, pro-war, hi-tax, low tax, sales tax only, freedom of abortion:
submit to the heckler 's veto and shut the hell up
or stay away from ball games.




I support free speech and freedom of opinion,
pro-racist and anti-racist alike
.





David
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 12:23 pm
@BillRM,
Why do you keep talking about "media driven outrage" rather than focusing on the outrage being expressed within the NBA itself, having nothing to do with the media. Do you think Michael Jordon's reaction to Sterling's remarks was influenced by the media? Do you think people aren't outraged by bigoted racial statements unless the media riles them up?

Michael Jordan expressed his opinions as both another team owner, and a former player. And his opinions contradict your ignorant statement that other team owners wouldn't be happy about giving players influence in this situation--Jordan is clearly backing the players as well.

Public opinion polls don't matter. Michael Jordan's vote, as another team owner, will matter in terms of forcing a sale of the Clippers.

This isn't simply about the legalities of recorded conversations, or things that were said "in private". It's about a racial firestorm that was set off after Sterling's remarks became public--his remarks, not the media, set off that firestorm, and his remarks immediately impacted the NBA, in all sorts of negative ways. And that impact to the NBA isn't lessened or erased by the fact the remarks were originally made in a "private conversation"--the remarks are now public.

And Sterling's swipe at Magic Johnson, in the Anderson Cooper interview, is likely to throw more fuel on the fire.

Sterling isn't blaming the media, he's not pointing out other people's sins and saying they shouldn't be casting stones, so why are you raising these issues?

He's admitting his comments were wrong, and that they hurt people.

A racial comment about blacks, by the owner of a team in a game dominated by black players, very much matters, as Donald Sterling has found out.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 12:36 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
This isn't simply about the legalities of recorded conversations,
or things that were said "in private". It's about a racial firestorm
that was set off after Sterling's remarks became public--his remarks,
not the media, set off that firestorm . . .
He did not take out an ad in the NY Times.
That his remarks became public was beyond his control.


As I understand it, his girlfriend was giving away free tickets.
If his property is being given away for free,
then he is perfectly within his rights to govern to whom thay are begifted, with NO limitations.

No one need apologize in regard to whom
his property is being given away and who he does not want to receive it.

That 's what living in a FREE COUNTRY is all about.
Give to whom u want; dont give to whom u dont want.





David
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 12:50 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
He did not take out an ad in the NY Times.
That his remarks became public was beyond his control.

That's true.

But that really doesn't matter in terms of the impact of those remarks on the NBA, once the remarks did become public. The NBA had a consequent need to then take self-protective action because of the impact to them and their interests, as a result of the remarks and their association with Sterling.

You seem to miss that very simple point.

Also, Sterling has a track-record of other racially discriminatory actions and statements, in his functioning as a real estate owner. But this time he made statements saying he didn't want black people brought to a game, in which most of the players on the court are black--so those remarks, by a team owner, brought about direct, and immediate, negative effects within the NBA and for the NBA.

The NBA didn't ask for any of this either.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 01:17 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Quote:
He did not take out an ad in the NY Times.
That his remarks became public was beyond his control.

That's true.

But that really doesn't matter in terms of the impact of those remarks on the NBA, once the remarks did become public. The NBA had a consequent need to then take self-protective action because of the impact to them and their interests, as a result of the remarks and their association with Sterling.

You seem to miss that very simple point.

Also, Sterling has a track-record of other racially discriminatory actions and statements, in his functioning as a real estate owner. But this time he made statements saying he didn't want black people brought to a game, in which most of the players on the court are black--so those remarks, by a team owner, brought about direct, and immediate, negative effects within the NBA and for the NBA.

The NBA didn't ask for any of this either.
You seem to miss that very simple point that he did not
ban any blacks from attending ball games;
he objected to their being given tickets FOR FREE
from his personal girlfriend, who had access to those tickets.

Correct me if I 'm rong,
but he did not object to blacks attending ball games if thay BUY their tickets.

In principle, its almost as if he had yelled to her:
hay, don t give my gold wrist watch to that black !
( or my shoes, or my sox to that black! )
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 01:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, stop sounding like a jerk.

You know that's not what this situation is about.

At least I hope you're aware of that. Otherwise, you're seriously out of touch with reality.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 01:28 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

David, stop sounding like a jerk.

You know that's not what this situation is about.
Hay: if u r going to pretend to telepathically read my mind,
telling me what I "know", then please be ACCURATE about it.

It IS about his property (tickets) being given away for free
without his permission by his mistress, who had access to them,
and his raising an objection. That is what I "know".





David
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 01:31 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
David, stop sounding like a jerk.

Firefly, did anyone elect you thought-sheriff of A2K? If not, I suggest you stop sounding like one.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 12 May, 2014 01:32 pm
@Thomas,
Thank u, Tom.
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