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kent851
 
Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 12:07 pm
1.Ex: A: How long has the highway been closed?
B: For weeks now.
Is there any difference if I just say "for weeks."? Do we mean to imply that it has been going on until "now" if I say it with "now"?


2.Is " a friend of mine told me…" the same as " my friend told me…"?

3.Ex: Are you planning to attend that conference in New York City?
Does it has the same meaning as " Are you going to attend…"?


4 Ex: May I take your picture, please.
Does "take your picture" refer to " take a picture of you"?


5.A:….?
B: it's a picture of my brother.
What would be the question to B's response? ---Who is the man in that picture? Or Whose picture is it?

6.Ex: A: Could you take this file to Ms. Wang?
B:I will see that she gets it right away.
What does B mean?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 25 Apr, 2004 03:55 pm
Re: Grammar
kent851 wrote:
1.Ex: A: How long has the highway been closed?
B: For weeks now.
Is there any difference if I just say "for weeks."? Do we mean to imply that it has been going on until "now" if I say it with "now"?


"For weeks" is acceptable in conversation and dialogue.


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2.Is " a friend of mine told me…" the same as " my friend told me…"?


Yes

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3.Ex: Are you planning to attend that conference in New York City?
Does it has the same meaning as " Are you going to attend…"?


Slightly different in terms of plans vs future but largely the same singe "going to" is used for future that is planned.


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4 Ex: May I take your picture, please.
Does "take your picture" refer to " take a picture of you"?


Yes.


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5.A:….?
B: it's a picture of my brother.
What would be the question to B's response? ---Who is the man in that picture? Or Whose picture is it?


Your first choice is better.

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6.Ex: A: Could you take this file to Ms. Wang?
B:I will see that she gets it right away.
What does B mean?


"I will make sure that she gets it immediately"

Basically, the person might not do it himself but will make sure that it gets done.

Welcome to A2K.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 08:29 am
Re: Grammar
Craven de Kere wrote:


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6.Ex: A: Could you take this file to Ms. Wang?
B:I will see that she gets it right away.
What does B mean?


"I will make sure that she gets it immediately"

Basically, the person might not do it himself but will make sure that it gets done.

Welcome to A2K.

Well explained Craven.

I also found out the example below:

See that it gets done right away.

The word "see" here means "To make sure; take care".
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 08:40 am
Re: Grammar
oristarA wrote:
.......... I also found out the example below:

See that it gets done right away.

The word "see" here means "To make sure; take care".


just being my usual 'nosey' self;

the above is descriptive of a common 'U.S. English' fault - in the phrase "I also found out the example below:", the word 'out' is what is called a redundant modifier; it's addition adds no meaning to the concept, and is simply wasted verbiage.
A very common, similar term is "in back of", used instead of "behind".

"I also found the example below" is preferred (while we are on the subject of 'grammar').
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 09:12 am
Re: Grammar
BoGoWo wrote:
oristarA wrote:
.......... I also found out the example below:

See that it gets done right away.

The word "see" here means "To make sure; take care".


just being my usual 'nosey' self;

the above is descriptive of a common 'U.S. English' fault - in the phrase "I also found out the example below:", the word 'out' is what is called a redundant modifier; it's addition adds no meaning to the concept, and is simply wasted verbiage.
A very common, similar term is "in back of", used instead of "behind".

"I also found the example below" is preferred (while we are on the subject of 'grammar').


"Find out" is a phrase commonly used. For example:

Please find out when the ship sails for New York.

Please find out what time the delegation will come.

So I am afraid "I also found out the example below" is acceptable. Very Happy
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 09:54 am
Re: Grammar
BoGoWo wrote:
in the phrase "I also found out the example below:", the word 'out' is what is called a redundant modifier; it's addition adds no meaning to the concept, and is simply wasted verbiage.


For Oristar's edification I'll point out that this is bullshit.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 10:05 am
Re: Grammar
oristarA wrote:
"Find out" is a phrase commonly used. For example:

Please find out when the ship sails for New York.

Please find out what time the delegation will come.

So I am afraid "I also found out the example below" is acceptable. Very Happy


While i won't (and didn't) say that you are wrong, these cases are different in that one is "finding out" the time, an implied concept, not the actual 'example'. The 'ussage' is different, and in your two examples the 'out' is not redundent. One can 'test' merely by deleting the word(s) in question, and seeing if the 'sense' remains. It is a question of 'style', not 'correctness', and brevity is always to be preferred (you wouldn't get that from my offerings though, would you? Rolling Eyes).
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 10:07 am
Re: Grammar
Craven de Kere wrote:
.......For Oristar's edification I'll point out that this is bullshit.


that's what i said Craven, but i was less crude in my terminology! Laughing
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 10:08 am
Re: Grammar
Craven de Kere wrote:
BoGoWo wrote:
in the phrase "I also found out the example below:", the word 'out' is what is called a redundant modifier; it's addition adds no meaning to the concept, and is simply wasted verbiage.


For Oristar's edification I'll point out that this is bullshit.


For Oristar's edification I'll point out that I was wrong, it's not bullshit.

Poor reading on my part.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 10:11 am
Re: Grammar
BoGoWo wrote:

that's what i said Craven, but i was less crude in my terminology! Laughing


Actually, you were spot on. "Out" in the phrasal verb adds meaning and is not redundant. But in Oristar's use of the word the phrasal verb is incorrectly used.

You don't "find out" items, you find them.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 10:19 am
Re: Grammar
Craven de Kere wrote:
........Actually, you were spot on. "Out" in the phrasal verb adds meaning and is not redundant. But in Oristar's use of the word the phrasal verb is incorrectly used.

You don't "find out" items, you find them.


Craven, i always agree with you (when you are telling me that i am right)! Cool Laughing :wink:
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oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 12:17 pm
LOL. Using "find" is more accurate, indeed! Very Happy
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2004 12:25 pm
An easy rule to remember is that you "find out" facts but "find" items.
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