Legalized marijuana

@InfraBlue,

They're all dead now. Problem solved.

The American Justice ?system has a really hard time changing its mind. Once your convicted of something, you remain convicted felon even if what you were convicted. You may be able to expunge your record as an individual, but to expunge a class, except for the Civil War, hasn't been done.

Rap

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@raprap,

raprap wrote:

You may be able to expunge your record as an individual, but to expunge a class, except for the Civil War, hasn't been done.

If you are referring to President Johnson's December 1868 proclamation, then actually there has been at least one more recent pardon of an entire class.

Consider President Carter's grant of:

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a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.

Source: http://www.justice.gov/pardon/carter_proclamation.htm

The 1986 amnesty for illegal immigrants may also qualify as another similar example although it wasn't a pardon.

However, pardons and amnesties aren't equivalent to expungements. Expunging the criminal records of a class (e.g. those convicted of marijuana related offenses) could be accomplished with new legislation by Congress and state legislatures. Most, if not all, laws making certain classes of people eligible for expungement of their criminal records have still required individual petitions for expunction orders.

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@roger,

Carbon monoxide alone can kill you

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The Colorado Court of Appeals has made it possible to challenge small-amounts marijuana convictions under Colorado’s legal marijuana amendment.

Jack Healy of the New York Times wrote that, "Shortly after Colorado voters approved Amendment 64, prosecutors in Denver, Boulder and other parts of the state decided to drop pending marijuana cases that were legalized under the new law.

However, Healy speculates that, “the scope of the ruling is likely to be limited. It applies only to small amounts of marijuana that were made legal under Amendment 64, and it does not appear to open the floodgates to allow people to expunge decades-old marijuana convictions.”

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Pot is really good, it gets me closer to God.

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Scientific studies have shown regular users of Marijuana produce less dopamine. Dopamine is directly related to motivation. Slackers are lazy. Smokers of this drug are sabotaging their potential.

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@Germlat,

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Carbon monoxide alone can kill you

Huh? You claimed it was a carcinogen. I question that. I know it's toxic. I am not aware it causes cancer.

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@roger,

Anything toxic substance causes an inflammatory process which is generally the main cause of cancer and many other diseases.

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@Germlat,

oic

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This is an interesting pro and con slide show about 30 marijuana studies (best to read the short squib of an article first, re the nature of the studies.) Anyway, some of the studies show bad effects and some show good ones in certain conditions.

The quite short article is in larger type under the captions of the 30 study slides -
http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2014/06/23/recap-heres-30-recent-studies-on-the-effects-of-marijuana/#24367101=0

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@roger,

I have not a clue what oic means...tried to google it had 207 definitions.

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@Butrflynet,

Because all things cause all symptoms at all time? There are five or six studies including one from VA that shows pot smokers have significantly less bladder cancer than those who don't. I have bladder cancer, a tobacco tied cancer, that kind of information is of interest to at least me.

But I agree. Medicine should not likely bring on a further different harm. For example: men who use Statins are significantly of higher risk to require Viagra or Cealis.

Pot shouldn't be smoked in public. But wouldn't pot-pubs be acceptable?

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@Germlat,

And some are allergic to penicillin. Pots not for everyone.

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@tsarstepan,

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Either way, I have no interest in smoking pot, legal wise or not.

Oh? May I have your portion, then? Purely for scientific experimentation, you know!

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@Germlat,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oic

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@ossobuco,

Thanks, Osso.

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@roger,

The biggest thing they add are nitrates to cure and to make them stay lit. In New York when they outlawed the stay lit papers, fire deaths went down. And then the anti-drying ingredients, and the insecticides, and the preservatives.

Keep pot out of the hands of only big tobacco/big cannabis.

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I've never been much of a pot smoker, haven't been near it for a zillion years, but I'm interested in its legalization (decades too late, in my view, for global crime and eco reasons) and knowing about both its apparent medical benefits (see that studies slide show) and its bad side effects (see that studies slide show).

If I ever get intractable pain, I'll get even more interested (see slide show).

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@InfraBlue,

My sister is an Attorney. There is no complete expunging of ones record. There has to be a record of the expungement somewhere. There's Nexus/Lexus. The internet. Newspaper morgues. Mismanaged cop files. Mismanaged court files. People are mistakenly picked up on dropped or adjudicated charges every day. I knew guys who enlisted claiming no criminal record because their records had been expunged who had a lot of 'splaining to do when Naval investigators caught wise to them while they were in boot-camp.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I agree. The internet libel crime lords will keep any arrest record alive. Even if the charges are dismissed....

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