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COUP IN KYIV?

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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:23 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I would say that international aid is the most important thing that can be done for the Ukraine right now.


Just heard (whilst covered in flour, moustache and hair in rollers) that IMF people are going to the Ukraine tomorrow.
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:24 am
Depressing.

Ukraine crisis a 'buying opportunity', says Jerome Booth
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:25 am
@revelette2,
That's exactly how they 'earn' their million(s) dollar bonuses.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:26 am
@Lordyaswas,
Tip.

Never tap tap tap a tablet screen with floury digits.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:43 am
From reuters
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[...]The U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, lobbied for the move at a meeting of the OSCE permanent council in Vienna on Monday.

"There will be very, very broad consensus for that monitoring mission. We call on Russia to join that consensus, make the right choice and pull back its forces," she told reporters.

"We are using all of our channels of dialogue to make the case to Russia that it doesn't have to be this way, that it should make a 21st century choice to settle its issues politically and through negotiation, not with military force."[...]

Hopefully, she'll use safe and encrypted "all of our channels of dialogue" this time.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 09:59 am
The Baltic states are deeply alarmed: Lithuania's president Grybauskaitė said, that all appropriate measures are undertaken to ensure Lithuania’s security, Latvian's president Berzin cancelled his holidays and returned for meetings of the national security council, all three states are in continuous contacts with NATO and EU ....
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:00 am
15.25: More on that ultimatum: This from Reuters:

Russia's Black Sea Fleet has told Ukrainian forces in Crimea to surrender by
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5 a.m. (0300 GMT) on Tuesday or face a military assault, Interfax news agency quoted a source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry as saying.

The ultimatum, Interfax said, was issued by Alexander Vitko, the fleet's commander.

The ministry did not immediately confirm the report and there was no immediate comment by the Black Sea Fleet, which has a base in Crimea, where Russian forces are in control.

"If they do not surrender before 5 a.m. tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea," the agency quoted the ministry source as saying.


source

I don't guess all the diplomatic efforts are going to amount to a hill of beans. What to do next?

Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:03 am
Apparently Putin spent 50 B on the the Sochi Games to improve Russia's standing internationally. Good call that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:44 am
@revelette2,
There are various and different news about this "ultimatum":

Quote:
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zpsd1c8510b.jpg


Quote:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps706ecb12.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
What did happen, however:
Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Maksim Prauta said four Russian navy ships were blocking Ukraine's anti-submarine warship Ternopil and the command ship Slavutych in Sevastopol's harbour.He said the Russians ordered the crew to surrender within the hour or face Russians storming and seizing the ships and crew.

(Ternopil is an ex-Soviet Grisha V class (1124 ME) corvette; Slavutych was origianally built as a Soviet intelligence ship [sister to Russian Kamchatka] but completed as a communications/command ship.)
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I know probably why it said it was unconfirmed. Guess we will know if the witching hour comes and goes and the Ukraine haven't stood down and the Russians have plowed them through.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 11:00 am
Quote:
16.45 Here is some more from our man Damien McElroy about that Russian ultimatum to Ukraine:

The head of the media-centre for the Ministry of Defence in Crimea, Vladyslav Seleanyov, confirmed the ultimatum to BBC Ukraine.

He said: "I spoke to the officers of the Ukrainian fleet. Vice-admiral of Russian fleet Alexander Vitko gave them the ultimatum. He demands either to surrender all the weapons or to take Russian side in the conflict.

Otherwise they are threatening to attack"


sources
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 11:08 am
@revelette2,
From the Guardian's blog:
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No ultimatum, says the Russian defence ministry, via Vedemosti.

A snap partial translation:

Russia’s defence ministry has denied information that they have given Ukrainian forces in Crimea an ultimatum.

An official defence ministry called the original agency statement about the ultimatum “complete nonsense”, and said no such ultimatum had been given to the Ukrainian military in Crimea.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 11:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Original Russian source for above
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 11:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Same as above, but in English by Russia Today
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Reports about an alleged Russian ultimatum made to the Ukrainian armed forces in Crimea are “total nonsense,” a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said.

He said that no ultimatum had been made to the Ukrainian forces.

Also, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told RT that they are unaware of any Russian ultimatum toward the Ukrainian forces in Crimea.

The source revealed that they had only heard about the alleged ultimatum from a report by Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

“We’re interested in keeping friendly relations with the people of Ukraine and in preserving stability,” the source told RT.
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 11:57 am
@Walter Hinteler,
One is lying, no way to know for sure who.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 12:13 pm
@revelette2,
Interfax-Russia news agency has quoted a spokesman for the Russian Black Sea Fleet denying reports as well. (I previously quoted from the Guardianblog, where this news had been questioned from the beginning onwards, especially due to the source.)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 12:17 pm
Steve Rosenberg BBC News, Moscow tweets: Senator Andrei Klimov: "It's not our job to have bigger & bigger Russia. We are not bad Russian boys. We're normal European people."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 12:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I just saw on German tv a live report ... from protest actions by the Tartars.

With all these recent and fast developments, I really wonder what the right-wing Ukrainian nationalist (and the Tartars) will do and how they re-act ...
glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2014 12:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I think Putin doesn't care what the Ukrainians or the the rest of the world thinks. So much for Bush 43 looking deep in the eyes of the former head of the KGB and seeing a good man.
 

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