cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 01:52 pm
Or, maybe we could be like Australia and start by banning swords and laser pointers.

I was at a conference recently and the speaker pulled out a laser pointer. Four apparent Aussies dove for cover under their table.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 01:54 pm
Your incessant attempts to equate gun control with cowardice just give the gun supporters an idiotic image cjhsa.
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Tarantulas
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 02:05 pm
Setanta wrote:
And i also consider gun control legislation not only justifiable, but necessary. Simply because someone does not oppose gun control legislation does not automatically mean that those people want to take your guns away. So many gun enthusiasts, though, must buy into NRA propaganda, and develop a "if ye ain't fer us, yer agin us" attitude.

An' it just ain't so . . .

Actually I am in favor of gun control laws. But I believe we have too many of them, and they aren't being adequately enforced. I believe we should repeal all of the "feel good" legislation like the assault weapons ban, and concentrate on enforcing the really important laws. And the next time some legislator starts talking about a new "loophole" they have found in an existing law, be very very skeptical. Whatever new law they want to make is probably designed to remove one or more of your rights.

I'm glad there is an organization like the National Rifle Association to speak for gun owners. I don't agree with everything they say or do, but I like the way they take a stand against some of the anti-gun enthusiasts. And I think it's a shame how people try to give them a bad reputation, when all they are trying to do is protect the rights of gun owners. There's another good group called Gun Owners of American (www.gunowners.org) that lobbies heavily in Washington and supports pro-gun legislators. I think they're actually more effective than the NRA in some cases, since they have a heavily-used email alert network and they're always keeping their members up to date on current events. They disagree with some NRA actions too, but from the standpoint that they are even more conservative than the NRA is.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 02:34 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Your incessant attempts to equate gun control with cowardice just give the gun supporters an idiotic image cjhsa.


How so? Can you explain why laser pointers should cause such a fuss? I cannot fathom how pointing out something so blatantly stupid makes me look like the idiot. Obviously I'm just teasing about the table divers.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 02:54 pm
You try to equate gun control with cowardice all the time. All it does is make the pro-gun crowd seem to derive their manliness from their guns.

You frequently imply that Australians are cowards because of their gun laws and it's pathetic. Makes guns look like another penis substitute which is sad, because many others who like guns are not like that at all.
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Foxfyre
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 02:58 pm
Ahem I have a gun. And I don't WANT a penis.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:01 pm
I would say they are cowards for not standing up to their goverment which continues to take away their rights. But apparently they don't care.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:02 pm
Quote:
Ahem I have a gun. And I don't WANT a penis.


That's a good reason he should stop making guns out to be the source of all manliness.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:04 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I would say they are cowards for not standing up to their goverment which continues to take away their rights. But apparently they don't care.


Your ignorance is on display again. They support that, and there's no reason for them to complain that the government is doing what they want in that regard.

You'll have to find some other reason for which to continue your childish characterization of gun-control as cowardice.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:04 pm
I have to disagree with your assessment CdK. Because I advocate certain types of weapons for use by disabled was well as able bodied folks, is that where you've derived that conclusion from?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:05 pm
No, I draw that conclusion from your repeated characterizations of entire nations as cowards just because they are not as obsessed with guns as you are.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:06 pm
I use Australia as a bad example of what could happen here, nothing more.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:08 pm
I'm glad that some of these cowards are members here!
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:10 pm
I'm trying to figure out how I called all Aussies cowards by simply making a laser pointer joke.

I believe Australia is part of the coalition of the willing, which hardly makes them cowards.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:11 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I would say they are cowards for not standing up to their goverment which continues to take away their rights. But apparently they don't care.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:13 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I use Australia as a bad example of what could happen here, nothing more.


That's not true. You do in fact do more than that and frequently imply that they are lacking in manhood or are cowardly. The result is that you make yourself out to be someone whose manliness is derived from guns.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:14 pm
Walter, I'm sure there are some who did. I hope so anyway.
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dlowan
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:17 pm
CDK wrote: "That's not true. You do in fact do more than that and frequently imply that they are lacking in manhood or are cowardly. The result is that you make yourself out to be someone whose manliness is derived from guns."

Indeed - which is very funny - presumably it disappears when the gun is put down, or do they have a remote effect, sort of like kryptonite? How far does it extend, I wonder?

Oooops - now I am being stupid too. Damn.
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cjhsa
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:19 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
That's not true. You do in fact do more than that and frequently imply that they are lacking in manhood or are cowardly. The result is that you make yourself out to be someone whose manliness is derived from guns.


I'm pretty sure I've posted that the only gun I have in my California home is an air powered pellet gun. If you were to break into my home, you'd more than likely get beaten with a rolling pin or a golf club. Assuming you don't shoot me first. Smile

My original post on this subject was a quote of John Lott, who decried the Australians as being a particularly dangerous lot, not a cowardly bunch, when armed with certain weapons that wouldn't be considered all that dangerous in most people's posession.
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dlowan
 
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Wed 28 Apr, 2004 03:26 pm
Ah, yes a few cared about having weapons of mass killing taken away.

Many of them were so stupid that they took stuff direct from US far right gun websites, and declared that our constitutional right to bear arms was being taken away! They confused your constitution with ours.

The overwhelming majority of Australians were extremely pleased with the (right wing) government's actions - it is almost the only act of his which I, for instance, have applauded.

The populace were mostly stunned that anyone had the right to own such weapons in the first place - especially in the light of a mentally ill man having just used them to ruthlessly murder 35 people at a popular Tasmanian tourist spot.
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