ehBeth
 
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Wed 5 May, 2004 08:14 pm
Quote:
Parents who do not own a gun should assume that their children will encounter a weapon at some point, perhaps in the house of a friend or a relative.
This is definitely not written from a Canadian perspective. If a parent suspected their child was going to be exposed to a gun in the home of a friend (?) or relative, they'd probably not permit the child to go to that home.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 May, 2004 10:59 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Wendy McElroy is not liberal by any standard definition I'm aware of. She lives in Canada with her husband, and is a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, California. She is not a liberal feminist from Canada anymore than any tourist sending a postcard from Canada is from Canada.

The premise of her article is definitely nothing you'll see supported by Canadians, liberal or not-so liberal.


When I read her HERE - even our conservative women have more feministic views Laughing
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 04:46 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Quote:
Parents who do not own a gun should assume that their children will encounter a weapon at some point, perhaps in the house of a friend or a relative.
This is definitely not written from a Canadian perspective. If a parent suspected their child was going to be exposed to a gun in the home of a friend (?) or relative, they'd probably not permit the child to go to that home.


That's just wrong. And I don't believe it to be anything outside of an urban liberal Canadian perspective. All of the people I trust the most, my family, owns guns. We all hunt or have hunted at one point. It's almost like you're saying, I'd rather my kids go hang out with a bunch of gunless liberal twits who only understand city life than with responsible outdoorsmen. This is the exact reason I signed up for TNUSA, to fight this kind of attitude.
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dlowan
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 04:56 pm
Lol! So gunless, liberal and twit are synonyms for you, cjhsa?

The trauma was deeper than I realised!

It is nice that you trust people with guns - how, logically, does this imply that one may not trust people without guns?

In nations such as yours and mine, and, I assume, Canada, urban describes most folk - from your pov I suspect most Canadians and Australians are "liberal".

You are spreading your trust options thin indeed!
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 05:00 pm
dlowan, you simply read your own agenda into my posts. Read them for what they are, not for what you want them to be.

The fact of the matter is, statistics indicate Canadians own more guns per capita than the U.S. Since handguns are banned there (unless you're a cop or a bodyguard for an elected official - there's irony), I'm going to assume most of these are owned by rural residents to use them for hunting. That's a very fair assumption, don't you think? I like people who hunt and fish and am far more likely to give them my trust than to ignorant city dwellers who don't understand the outdoors.
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cjhsa
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 05:21 pm
dlowan - all in fun and total honesty, there is a banner ad on the side of my A2K posts window right now with a bouncing kangaroo that says "Shoot the evil kangaroo and win a digital camera".

Smile
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dlowan
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 05:50 pm
i assume you will have a camera very soon, eh?
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ehBeth
 
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Thu 6 May, 2004 05:58 pm
cjhsa wrote:
dlowan, you simply read your own agenda into my posts. Read them for what they are, not for what you want them to be.

The fact of the matter is, statistics indicate Canadians own more guns per capita than the U.S. Since handguns are banned there (unless you're a cop or a bodyguard for an elected official - there's irony), I'm going to assume most of these are owned by rural residents to use them for hunting. That's a very fair assumption, don't you think? I like people who hunt and fish and am far more likely to give them my trust than to ignorant city dwellers who don't understand the outdoors.


I know quite a few of those rural hunting gun owners. The guns are not kept in the house. In fact, they are quite often kept locked up in one of two facilities - the gun club, or the police station - and only signed out when people are going hunting.

Rural people here, in Ontario, generally do not keep guns, hunting or otherwise, anywhere in their homes. And if they do, they are, for the most part, registered, which is a different question.

You might want to be somewhat cautious about the 'ignorant city dweller' comment, cjhsa. Most, not all, city dwellers here come from the country and are well aware of the danger of guns in private homes. I don't know if it's still the case, but there used to be Gun Safety Clubs in most high schools in the small town/rural area I grew up in. Rule # 1. No guns at home.
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 06:52 am
I think that cj was saying that the people that he trusts the most are his family. His family owns guns. CJ is not saying that the only reason he trusts them is because they own guns. This isn't the

"CJ trusts all of his family, all of his family are gun owners, therefore CJ trusts all gun owners" theory.

And just because Canada's #1 rule is No Guns at Home, doesn't mean that it is right for all countries. If it weren't for Guns at home, America wouldn't be one of the greatest nations in the world like it is today, and Canada would probably be in a lot worse shape.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 09:35 am
No guns at home? WTF? Police state!
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 09:58 am
Here's what a family hunting gathering might look like:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/community/gun/images/gl_mid.jpg
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dlowan
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:13 am
Bleccchhhhhhhh........

I assume you are kidding.....that is a gun cathedral! It is bizarre! It is like the American nuclear arsenal in its stunning, bizarre, "overkill"....
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:14 am
Where did you get the picture of my gun room?

Seriously though, I wouldn't mind having 1/4 of the "stock pile" in that room. What is this a militia members home?
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:16 am
It's most likely a gun club, personal collection or a sales floor.
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:19 am
McGentrix - I am well aware of that, I was just stating what I bet some people actually thought.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:24 am
But if you don't spell things out for some of our fellow members, it will become a conspiracy that it's a CIA weapons cache destined for Al Queda or something.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:36 am
Actually, I'm not kidding, but that is actually Cabela's gun library. Cabela's is a large outfitter. Keep in mind that is only a small portion of what they have just in that room.
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cjhsa
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 10:46 am
This is the jewel in my collection. Mine is actually in better shape than this one. My Dad gave it to me Christmas just after I turned 16. It truly is "sweet". Kicks like a mule too.

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=17509510
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saintsfanbrian
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 11:16 am
My wife's father had 3 of those. They are very "sweet" indeed. My jewel is my avatar and the Ithica 12 gauge that I keep for "homeland security"
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Tarantulas
 
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Fri 7 May, 2004 11:37 am
Tarantulas wrote:
That is absolutely true. Gun laws only apply to people who obey the law. Criminals, by definition, disobey laws. It is SO SIMPLE that I don't understand why some of the gun control people don't smack themselves in the forehead and give up trying to make more restrictive laws.

Since there are some criminals who do obey guns laws, I should have said "Gun laws only apply to people who obey gun laws. People who disobey gun laws are, by definition, criminals."

Craven de Kere wrote:
"Gun-control" doesn't rely on the trustworthiness of law breakers any more than any other law. "Only law-abiding citizens obey laws against murder" is also just as true and the statement does not have relevance to the validity of laws against murder. For its viability it needs to be enforced to compel the reluctant to comply.

Similarly, you should have said "Only criminals disobey laws against murder," since non-murderous criminals do obey laws against murder.

Craven de Kere wrote:
Whether or not it can be realized in America is a good question and the saying does have a point in that the law's enforcement would have to be viable. I think the staunch opposition to it by so many generally law-abiding citizens would hamper the ability to use the law-abiding majority to dry up the sources for the criminal minority. That's why I'm not too keen on the idea stateside. Culture itself would have to change for it to be possible.

The avowed goals of some of the gun control groups is to take firearms out of the hands of private citizens. With that in mind, almost any new gun law looks to a gun owner like the next step on the road to confiscation. So a gun owner looks at a proposed new law with at least two things in mind:

1. Is the problem solved by this law an actual problem, or a made-up problem?
2. How will this law affect law-abiding gun owners?

It seems that in most cases, the answer to #1 is that it's a made-up problem, and the answer to #2 is that the law restricts certain freedoms. So gun owners urge their representatives to "vote agin it!"

Here's my duty weapon. A Sig Sauer P228 9mm. Engineered Reliability!

http://dboy.cpgl.net/SIG/p228/228.jpg
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