When do we cease to exist?

@Germlat,

Hi David.
I have only a few words to say,
The body dies, but, the soul lives forever.
Why would we want to become better humans for no purpose.
God saves our souls and we are in His presence forever.
God speaks to our souls, not verbally, but, In the quiet place in our spirits.
There us a psalm" Be still and know that I am God".
Few understand that He speaks to our souls in silence.

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@justforme23,

justforme23 wrote:

Hi David.
I have only a few words to say,
The body dies, but, the soul lives forever.

Hmm! How does that work?

Quote:

The soul that sins shall die( Ezekiel 18:4)

Or this?

Quote:

3 Do not put your trust in princes
Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.
4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground;
On that very day his thoughts perish. (Psalm 146: 4,5)

I think the Quran contains the idea that the soul is immortal. Is that where you got your idea? Or from Plato?

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@neologist,

I have no "ideas" as you put it.
It makes perfecr sense that it is Gods plan to purify our souls, not to destroy it, but to live forever.
I will not debate this with someone with your attitude.
I know where you are coming and it is not a good place.

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@justforme23,

justforme23 wrote:

I have no "ideas" as you put it.
It makes perfecr sense that it is Gods plan to purify our souls, not to destroy it, but to live forever.
I will not debate this with someone with your attitude.
I know where you are coming and it is not a good place.

Understood.
You prefer your own interpretations to scripture.

I don't mind your reluctance to debate. Just be prepared to have your hypocrisy exposed from time to time.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

justforme23 wrote:
Hi David.
I have only a few words to say,
The body dies, but, the soul lives forever.
Hmm! How does that work?

Quote:
The soul that sins shall die( Ezekiel 18:4)
Or this?
Quote:
3 Do not put your trust in princes
Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation.
4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground;
On that very day his thoughts perish. (Psalm 146: 4,5)
I think the Quran contains the idea that the soul is immortal.
Is that where you got your idea? Or from Plato?

No. I got the idea from people who have returned
from flat line death for a while in hospitals
with whom I have spoken, around NY and around America. www.IANDS.org

My own out-of-body-experiences confirmed my confidence
in my conscious mind safely leaving my human body.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Well, yeah. I belive in endorphins, too
But I thought 232 was replying to Germlat.
Couldn't understand the David part, though.

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Justforme said: The body dies, but, the soul lives forever.

Yes, Jesus said so, so maybe the cultists who say it doesn't should sign up for sunday school classes.. Wink

(Incidentally Neologist is a Jehovah's Witness)

Jesus said:-"The spirit within gives life, the flesh alone is worthless" (John 6:63 )

"Whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" (John 11:26)

"'Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit" and having said this, he gave up the ghost" (Luke 23:46)

Paul said- "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)

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@OmSigDAVID,

Your out of body experience..... Sorry but-- maybe you don't understand what that was. See you weren't really dead. You're not truly dead until your brain dies. Once that happens there's no coming back. The rest is just a series of chemical reactions in your brain...your near death experience wasn't real. I'm not trying to be disrespectful btw.

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@Germlat,

Germlat wrote:

Your out of body experience..... Sorry but-- maybe you don't understand what that was. See you weren't really dead. You're not truly dead until your brain dies. Once that happens there's no coming back. The rest is just a series of chemical reactions in your brain...your near death experience wasn't real.

I believe that your information is incomplete and defective.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I added something else to my previous post.. I wanted to make sure you don't think I'm poking fun at you. I sincerely believe you think thought you were dead for a short-time. I assure you...you were not. True death is being brain dead. As a matter of fact, this is something that's verified in hospitals ( with a test called EEG) when unsure if the the patient is dead or simply in a coma.

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@Germlat,

Germlat wrote:

I added something else to my previous post..
I wanted to make sure you don't think I'm poking fun at you.
I sincerely believe you think thought you were dead for a short-time.
I assure you...you were not.

My surgeon took a different vu of it,
but most of my experiences in leaving my human body
were in a good state of health; I like it, but I have not had it happen
since the 1980s, usually on-the-job taking testimony in court.

Germlat wrote:

True death is being brain dead.
As a matter of fact, this is something that's verified in hospitals
(with a test called EEG) when unsure if the the patient is dead
or simply in a coma.

People have returned from death in hospitals
after being flat lined in EEG, EKG and respiration for around an hour.
Some of them have described adventures while ex-carnated.
Some folks have been dis-inherited for bad-mouthing the decedent
while he is in surgery, to their common family members
out in the waiting area. The decedent returned from death
after seeing n hearing himself being defamed among family members
and he had his estate lawyer change his will.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

You are clearly confused. I'm not sure what your surgeon "said" but my guess is you misunderstood. You can have only brain stem functioning left and still have a beating heart. That doesn't mean your alive...it simply means your metabolic processes haven't completely shut down. You can actually have a EEG too low to read when comatose for instance. But when determining death EEGs are done in a series to be sure. When all other data such as absence of respirations in conjunction with a flat-lined EEG fails to determine if someone is truly physically( maybe you like that better)dead, there is also a radionuclide scan with can prove death. No brain=no mind=death.

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@OmSigDAVID,

As amusing as your stories are, they are not scientifically sound. They cannot be proved which in my world amounts to nothing more than sheer fantasy.

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@Germlat,

Germlat wrote:

As amusing as your stories are, they are not scientifically sound.
They cannot be proved which in my world amounts to nothing more than sheer fantasy.

The disinheritance was a FANTASY??
U say he was NOT cut out of the will ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

I tried to come up with something clever to say back because I laughed at loud when I read your last post....couldn't top it...darn.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Then, contrary to the machine data, which has oft produced less than reliable results, the folks were not dead.

BTW. As an aside. . . You may have some up to date info on this: Years ago; I don't know how long; the definitive way of determining death/life was to touch a hot match head to the skin. Live patients (those not capable of saying ow) produced a blister; dead ones did not. Have you learned anything of this? I recall stories of bell ropes installed in coffins to alert family and friends of errant interrments.

Just wondering, now that the subject is up for consideration.

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Incidentally some out-of-body trips are not nice.
For example a young women said in a TV docu on the subject a few years ago that she found herself floating above her sleeping body at home, then she suddenly zoomed up through the roof higher and higher until she could see the whole earth like a globe in space, and there was a silver cord from her forehead to earth.
She felt pain as the cord began to stretch as if it was about to tear out of her head, she panicked and the next thing she knew she was safely back in her bed..

These lines from Ecclesiastes chapter 12 spring to mind
"Remember your Creator....
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed"

Bible scholars are still not sure what the "silver cord" is.
WIKI- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_cord

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Ecclesiastes 12:1-7 refers to the many physiological changes associated with aging and dying. Apparently vs 6 is death itself; "jar at the spring is broken", etc. "Silver cord" deserves more research; but I am hoping not to experience it first hand anytime soon.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Then, contrary to the machine data, which has oft produced
less than reliable results, the folks were not dead.

Thay were dead for a while,
but the death expired.

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@Germlat,

Germlat wrote:

I tried to come up with something clever to say back
because I laughed at loud when I read your last post....couldn't top it...darn.

It happens to the best of us.

Someone died in a hospital,
while relatives were fearfully waiting there.
Decedent saw them at lunch in the hospital cafeteria
and also smoking cigarettes outside. The odd thing was that
one of the relatives was chronically vocal in opposition to smoking,
but was having a cigarette, in that state of tense emotion.

Decedent returned from (human) death and commented
on that unusual state of affairs upon re-awakening,
before being informed thereof.

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