"We dare not tempt them with weakness."

Do you not think Japan's attack steeled the US citizenry for the war with the other axis states?

If this was logical you should have no problem explaining said logic

I think they should get out the facts, and should not be there to be "loyal" or even have an opinion.

On the other hand, that Hamas or Osama are truly and effectively aided in even a single instance by what we say here, or what news shows carry, or what professors say, is without evidentiary support.

Every industrialized nation and all Middle Eastern countries believed Iraq had WMD and capabilities of making WMD and were working on a nuclear program and were in myriad violations of U.N. sanctions and had shot at our planes and helicopters in the no fly zone and had used WMD on their own people and were committing atrocities against their own people and they had behaved with aggression on numerous occasions against their neighbors and they hated our guts. In my mind, that makes it pretty logical.

Peace, security, Bin Ladin, weapons of mass destruction or anything resembling democracy in the Middle.

If you could rise above the simplistic "us vs them" philosophy that is the basis of your opinion, you would realize that Bush's actions are only excacerbating the underlying issues that cause terrorism.

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If this was logical you should have no problem explaining said logic

Every industrialized nation and all Middle Eastern countries believed Iraq had WMD and capabilities of making WMD and were working on a nuclear program and were in myriad violations of U.N. sanctions and had shot at our planes and helicopters in the no fly zone and had used WMD on their own people and were committing atrocities against their own people and they had behaved with aggression on numerous occasions against their neighbors and they hated our guts. In my mind, that makes it pretty logical.

I agree they should be there to get out the facts and they should not have an opinion without clearly stating that it is their opinion. But I suppose I'm old fashioned in believing the media should not be allowed to report information that puts our troops at higher risk.

Lybia, a former snakes nest of terrorism, has now renounced terrorism and have given up their WMD and rejoined the civilized world. North Korea is back at the 'peace talks' table and are being far more reasonable. Afghanistan is on its way to being a much more free and less oppressive society if not a full democracy, and Iraq has the chance to be the jewel of the Middle East, free, prosperous, and democratic.

And there have been no more 9/11's in this country. I am reasonably certain that if we blink now, there will be.

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If you could rise above the simplistic "us vs them" philosophy that is the basis of your opinion, you would realize that Bush's actions are only excacerbating the underlying issues that cause terrorism.

This history of every war ever prosecuted by the United States is checkered with errors of judgment, flat out stupid mistakes, and just plain bad luck. The history of this one will be no different. But to support the president and troops and not give the terrorists the comfort of thinking they have succeeded in dividing us and weakening our leaders is the surest way to bring this to a much speedier conclusion.

And Craven, you put words in my mouth and meaning on things that I did not intend and did not say. Explain the logic of that.

Before 9/11 Lybia was trying to remove their rogue state status.

Before 9/11 North Korea had been at the peace table.

Before 9/11 there had been no 9/11.

And Craven, you put words in my mouth and meaning on things that I did not intend and did not say. Explain the logic of that.

If I understand right, the point of this article is that the United States could win in Iraq and could have won in Vietnam if it were not a democracy. If the US government could do whatever it wanted without worrying about public opinion or dissent it would have a much greater ability to do what it takes to win the war.

I believe another 9/11 is more than possible or even likely if we screw this up.

there have been no more 9/11's in this country. I am reasonably certain that if we blink now, there will be.

Before 9/11 Lybia was trying to remove their rogue state status.

Before 9/11 North Korea had been at the peace table.

Before 9/11 there had been no 9/11.

Since right or wrong we are there, those who oppose Bush and want him out would serve best by getting behind John Kerry and promote him as the guy who will be even tougher and smarter in prosecuting the war.

Trying and doing are two different things. That's the difference between saying and doing.

How long before 9/11 were they at the peace table?

Some would consider Pearl Harbor to be equivalent to 9/11, certainly not the same, but similar.