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How flawed are your beliefs

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:13 am
@Germlat,
Sure, Darlin' . . . whatever you say. You can't beat this place for free entertainment.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:13 am
@neologist,
We disagree with passion, too. My experience of many years is that Neo is a nutbag, and that there is not an ounce of malice in him.
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:14 am
@Setanta,
Thanks for the "darling " bit...I wouldn't expect any less of you.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:15 am
@Ding an Sich,
Setanta wrote:
This thread is getting to be fun, strictly from a apectator's point of view.
neologist wrote:
You misspelled expectorator.
Ding an Sich wrote:
Spectator???
Oh
Yeah Very Happy
I was drooling.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:16 am
@BeHereNow,
BeHereNow wrote:

Let me add this.The person having the faith has been convinced, not by rational evidence, but by some other means.
Let me check my bible, I believe there are some passages about this.
Try Hebrews 11:1
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:17 am
@Calamity Dal,
Calamity Dal wrote:
What are the flaws in your system of belief,

that we don't know everything about the origin of species yet. For example, we don't know how organic chemistry spawned self-replicating substances that originated biology's open-ended cycle of inheritance, mutation, and natural selection.

Calamity Dal wrote:
and how do you get around them?

By paying attention to research in evolutionary biology, by paying taxes to fund basic research (in biology and elsewhere), and by supporting whichever political party will spend the most money on basic research when in power.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:22 am
@Setanta,
I'd better say for her sake that I am truly sorry for having offended you, Set.
I promise to have the coffee warm when you arrive.
You will arrive some day, right?
I want to be sure the Set set is all set.
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:22 am
@Thomas,
Thank you...a voice of reason.
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BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:23 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

BeHereNow wrote:

If I say the grass and the frog are one, that does not mean there is no frog, and no grass.

If I say the self is an illusion, that does not mean there is no Frank, and no BeHereNow.


Well...when you say that "self is an illusion"...what does it mean?

And how do you "know" it?

Let's discuss this.

I gave you the best I can on another thread, with this updated reply:
http://able2know.org/topic/174783-46#post-5564704

I have a fairly good list of references for intuitive knowledge and understanding, from both scientific and philosophical perspectives.

We should be able to agree that if Einstein and Steve jobs have something good to say about the intuitive process, there might be something to it.

Einstein quotes:
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift."

"The only real valuable thing is intuition."

"The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it Intuition or what you will, the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why".
- Albert Einstein
~ ~
Steve jobs:
The people in the Indian countryside don’t use their intellect like we do, they use their intuition instead, and the intuition is far more developed than in the rest of the world… Intuition is a very powerful thing, more powerful than intellect, in my opinion. That’s had a big impact on my work.
Western rational thought is not an innate human characteristic, it is learned and it is the great achievement of Western civilization. In the villages of India, they never learned it. They learned something else, which is in some ways just as valuable but in other ways is not. That’s the power of intuition and experiential wisdom.”
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/01/11/intuition-vs-rationality/


Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:23 am
@neologist,
That about says it all.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:26 am
@Setanta,
Coffee cake with walnut pieces is one of my favorites.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:28 am
@neologist,
I don't know if i'll ever make it, Boss, but if i can, i will. Columbian or Kona, i hope.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:28 am
@neologist,
I'll go for that.

Germlat: Kiss kiss!
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:31 am
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
That about says it all.
Set and I may never quit, though. I hope he lives forever.

Same for you, also.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:31 am
@Calamity Dal,
Calamity Dal wrote:
what is the most difficult argument against your belief system, and how do you resolve it?

My belief system consists of two simple tenets:
  1. Believe in facts if the balance of the evidence supports them, and for no other reason.
  2. Believe in values if acting on them will tend to increase the overall surplus of happiness over suffering, and for no other reason.
Only the first of these tenets applies to evolution. I have yet to encounter any arguments against it, so I'm incapable of picking the most difficult one.
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BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:32 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

BeHereNow wrote:

Let me add this.The person having the faith has been convinced, not by rational evidence, but by some other means.
Let me check my bible, I believe there are some passages about this.
Try Hebrews 11:1
I see no contradiction between yours, and mine.
http://able2know.org/topic/232369-7#post-5564692

Hebrews 11:1 - Things hoped for and not seen, yes, that is my point.
Faith is about things hoped for, but not seen, thanks for the support.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:37 am
@BeHereNow,
You forgot the evident demonstration. Such as Joshua 23:14
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:41 am
@BeHereNow,
my 2 pence
Faith need not be blind, faith like trust is built upon a series of observations over a period of time. Those observations are where you get your assurance from.
If I started a sequence 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Based on this record provided you trusted its source, your expectation is that the next number in the sequence would be 1.
This does not mean it could not be x, however you are satisfied that your faith is not misplaced.
Blind faith is believing the things heard, and not putting them to the test
Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:43 am
@neologist,
Closer ties: "When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch."
Bette Davis
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:45 am
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
"When a man gives his opinion, he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion, she's a bitch."
Bette Davis
Well, that was Betty. Very Happy
She may have had a point.
 

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