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How flawed are your beliefs

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:28 am
@BeHereNow,
BeHereNow wrote:

It is the thought that something is true, based on convincing evidence.



So you are convinced there is weather?

That is what you are saying?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:31 am
Quote:
Secondusername said: I personally.. believe anyone.. will learn more at a college, whether online or in person

Christianity is so simple that nobody needs to go to college to "learn" it..Smile

Paul said - "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
"The more the words,the less the meaning,and how does that profit anyone?" (Ecc 6:11)
"And the common people heard Jesus gladly" (Mark 12:37)
"When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13)
Jesus said:- "I thank you Father for hiding these things from the wise and learned, and for revealing them to little children"(Matt 11:25-27)
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BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Frank A So you are convinced there is weather?

That is what you are saying?
I believe you understand correctly, the evidence convinces me there is weather.
I trust that does not offend you?
You seem to have strong feelings about what others choose to believe.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:17 am
@secondusername,
secondusername wrote:
Where does the Weather lead me?
This time of year, generally it leads me indoors.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:22 am
@BeHereNow,
BeHereNow wrote:
Faith on the other hand lacks convincing evidence.
Would you be so kind as to provide evidence for your statement? Or shall we install you as a poobah in the royal order of ipse dixit?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:25 am
This thread is getting to be fun, strictly from a apectator's point of view.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:33 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
This thread is getting to be fun, strictly from a apectator's point of view.
You misspelled expectorator.
Ding an Sich
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:37 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Setanta wrote:
This thread is getting to be fun, strictly from a apectator's point of view.
You misspelled expectorator.


Spectator???
BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:38 am
@neologist,
Quote:
BHN: Faith on the other hand lacks convincing evidence.
neoWould you be so kind as to provide evidence for your statement? Or shall we install you as a poobah in the royal order of ipse dixit?
We have this:

Faith and reason: the epistemology of faith
"It is thus widely held that faith goes beyond what is ordinarily reasonable, in the sense that it involves accepting what cannot be established as true through the proper exercise of our naturally endowed human cognitive faculties—and this may be held to be an essential feature of faith."
From the Stanford encyclopedia of Philosophy
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/faith/#ModFaiTheKeyCom
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:40 am
@BeHereNow,
BeHereNow wrote:

Quote:
Frank A So you are convinced there is weather?

That is what you are saying?
I believe you understand correctly, the evidence convinces me there is weather.
I trust that does not offend you?




No...but it is interesting that there is a "you" to be convinced...or that there is a "Frank" who might possibly be offended.


Quote:
You seem to have strong feelings about what others choose to believe.


Doesn't bother me at all what you, or anyone else, guesses. And if you want to call your guesses "beliefs'...that is fine with me also.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:41 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

secondusername wrote:
Where does the Weather lead me?
This time of year, generally it leads me indoors.


Here in New Jersey...the temp is not going to get to 20 today...and we are by far not the coldest spot on the continent.

So I am indoors myself...having fun communicating with my friends on the Internet.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:41 am
@neologist,
Being the playground bully is more fun then spelling correctly. In this way people respond to your aggression rather than your content.
BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:44 am
@Frank Apisa,
If I say the grass and the frog are one, that does not mean there is no frog, and no grass.

If I say the self is an illusion, that does not mean there is no Frank, and no BeHereNow.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:45 am
Quote:
BeHereNow said: "It is thus widely held that faith goes beyond what is ordinarily reasonable, in the sense that it involves accepting what cannot be established as true through the proper exercise of our naturally endowed human cognitive faculties—and this may be held to be an essential feature of faith." From the Stanford encyclopedia of Philosophy

Jesus was solid flesh and blood seen by the population of Israel for 3 long years, so yes I've got faith that all those eyewitnesses saw him and am quite prepared to take their word..Smile
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BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:50 am
@neologist,
Let me add this.
The person having the faith has been convinced, not by rational evidence, but by some other means.
Let me check my bible, I believe there are some passages about this.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:54 am
@BeHereNow,
BeHereNow wrote:

If I say the grass and the frog are one, that does not mean there is no frog, and no grass.

If I say the self is an illusion, that does not mean there is no Frank, and no BeHereNow.


Well...when you say that "self is an illusion"...what does it mean?

And how do you "know" it?

Let's discuss this.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:55 am
@Germlat,
Ah . . . poor Germlat . . . he's cherishing a grudge, and can't get any traction with it. As i said, this thread has become very entertaining.
BeHereNow
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 10:57 am
@neologist,
Quote:
[Matthew 21, v21] Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.


How difficult is it to have faith, if there is a mountain of evidence? Not at all.

How strong is one's faith, if there is no evidence, and yet it is believed? Very strong indeed.

The faith of a mustard seed.....
By faith you will be born again, not by a mountain of evidence.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:08 am
@Setanta,
Well...I'm a female , but who cares. You seem to have the need to open with an insult and this is quite funny to me.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jan, 2014 11:13 am
@Germlat,
You don't know the history between Set and me. It has always been good natured. We really don't agree on much other than coffee and creative absurdity. But we agree with passion. Very Happy
 

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