Saudis: Cut Oil Prices Before Election to Help Bush Victory

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The charge that Saudi Arabia made a secret pact with President Bush to lower gasoline prices in time to help him in the November presidential election was denied Monday by the White House, the Saudi ambassador to the United States -- and even by journalist Bob Woodward, who raised the specter of such a quid pro quo in a book released Monday.

"I don't say there's a secret deal or any collaboration on this," Woodward told CNN's "Larry King Live" Monday. "What I say in the book is that the Saudis ... hoped to keep oil prices low during the period before the election, because of its impact on the economy. That's what I say."

So what you are saying is that Woodward's denial that he states there is an agreement between Bush and the Saudi ambassador is a lie also. I don't get it. If the Saudi government is lying when they say there is no agreement and Woodward is lying when he says he did not say there is any such agreement but you say his book says there is a secret agreement, then someone is dreadfully wrong.

So my question is simple. Is Woodward lying now when he states he never wrote that there is an agreement between Bush and Saudi Arabia or was he lying in his book and he is now trying to refute that lie.

So help me here Blatham.

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Suddenly, now the Bushites claim the Saudis have credibility?

ROFLMAO!!!

These rightwing lackeys are too funny!

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I did not give credibility to the Saudis, Info. The quote is a Woodward quote where he is stating he never said that Bush had a deal with the Saudis to drop oil prices for the election. People keep saying that he wrote about this supposed deal in his book and are bashing Bush for this deal, yet Woodward himself says he didn't say this.

Maybe I was not clear in my post. If I was not, I hope this clears it up. I'm just trying to figure out if those who hate Bush bother to check facts before writing things about him. There are lots of things you can complain about where Bush is concerned, this just is not one of them.

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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm comforted in knowing if we can hold on until September, or October, Bush's good buddy, Prince Bandar will open up the Saudi royal kingdom's spigots and the oil will start flowing our way.

And maybe I can actually pay less than $2.00 a gallon for regular.

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People when fuel prices go up - who is really getting the money? I think it's not the Saudis....

While domestic production is not that large - it brings the same price as imported - go figure.

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"Bush shouldn't have held a gun to the stupid women to make them get pregnant by and/or marry a Saudi... "
Is this that there "compassionate conservatism"
I hear so much about?

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So my question is simple. Is Woodward lying now when he states he never wrote that there is an agreement between Bush and Saudi Arabia or was he lying in his book and he is now trying to refute that lie.

So help me here Blatham.

Coastal Rat...welcome

This you can sort out for yourself. Your proper sources ought to be what Woodward himself has said, in his book, in interviews on the weekend, and in interviews since. Most of the interviews (eg 60 minutes) are available on line, more recent print/tv interviews should be as well, and you'll have to read the book, but ain't that a good idea anyway.

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It seems to be an assumption that the Saudis have enough influence over all other OPEC members so that they can twist arms, cajole, or whatever, and get the per barrel price reduced from $33 per gallon to between $22 and $28. That is just one question.

A followup question might be that if that were true, just why is the price at $33 now?

This complicated relationship between the Bush and Saudi royal family smells of incest to me. Duplicitous incest from both sides.

So does that mean that the admin is willing to let Americans suffer at the pump for a spell so that the Saudis and other major producers can enjoy their cyclical rape of the world?

That would be a sweet deal.

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blatham wrote:

Your proper sources ought to be what Woodward himself has said, in his book, in interviews on the weekend, and in interviews since.

So if I understand what you are hinting at, the earlier quote from Woodward's Larry King appearance that appeared in this thread under a CNN tag line is not a "proper source"? Or are you saying he was misquoted in that article and that he never told Larry King what was reported?

I am just trying to get the view of an anti-Bush person who is espousing this belief that Bush and the Saudis have this agreement to drop oil prices prior to the election. This opinion seems to be based largely on the Woodward book, which per the article quotes Woodward as saying he did not write that Bush and the Saudis had this secret deal.

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The Saudis themselves have stated Woodward got it wrong in his book and Woodward himself agreed that John Kerry was misrepresenting what he said by 'taking the alleged collusion between Bush and the Saudis' to the next level - and then Woodward contradicted himself on Larry King Live.

People who write 'factual' books about other people are deserving of having their facts challenged. Both Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward are being challenged and both are being found to have had stated some questionable facts.

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There are no factual issues about the close relationship enjoyed for at least 50 years between the Bush family and royal Faad family of Saudi Arabia.

There are no factual issues about the access Prince Bandar enjoys at the Bush White House.

A few years ago, Bush blamed high gas prices on OPEC and tried to finger Clinton for not forcing OPEC members (of whom the Saudis are the largest group member) to "open their spigots."

Clinton released a small amount of the strategic petroleum reserves to flood the market and oil prices came down within weeks.

Unfortunately, Bush has involved us in a war, so those reserves are more closely protected these days.

My money is on Woodward's precisely written and documented text. Oil prices will drop dramatically in the weeks before the election.

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To what end?

To get more votes from the left? This election is already decided. Never before has the nation been so polarized and I see no change in any ones opinion between now and Nov.

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To the end that middle and working class Americans are struggling to pay huge energy bills. I know, in a GOP world, these are the forgotten Americans, and as long as Bush can repay his oil industry contributors on the backs of middle class and working class Americans, all is right with the world.

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Most working people are already going to vote for Bush, so why would he need some secret deal to lower oil prices?

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You live in a dream world, McGentrix. Bush is in deep trouble in rural America and with working class Americans. Read the polls. His strength is with upper income people. Sorry to burst your bubble. Laughing

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Uh, ok...

If you take out the votes of the larger metropolitan areas, Bush wins by a landslide never before seen in presidential elections.

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Well except in the vote in Reagan's second term. He carried 49 of 50 states but his opponents said he was in deep trouble too. Smile

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Foxfyre wrote:

People who write 'factual' books about other people are deserving of having their facts challenged. Both Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward are being challenged and both are being found to have had stated some questionable facts.

I agree Fox. That is why I brought up the Woodward question. If he was playing loose with the facts in this instance how can we trust other so-called facts from his book. Or if he never said this in his book, but others are twisting his words, then why should we believe anything else these others have to say about Bush.

So I question why Infowarrior continues to insist that there is some deal between Bush and the Saudis when all parties say this is not true, and even Woodward is saying he did not say that in his book.

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And the Saudis have said they didn't say it too. Smile

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Shall I start listing the lies from Bush's or Rumsfeld's or Cheney's mouth? That would make all else they say suspect, yes?

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