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Sun 18 Apr, 2004 11:59 pm
And this suprises you? Didn't you see the movie Wargames back in the 80's? Essentially the military is constantly playing war games. And this is a good thing. It keeps them skilled to be able to do their jobs.
Or are you just trying to do a See I told you we knew it was going to happen?
Such action by NORAD is standard boiler plate response in order to ensure the safety of the American people.
Nothing new here.
However, what is criminal is that NORAD didn't take to the skies the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 when not 1, but 4 commercial airliners veered from their filed flight path.
The question that remains unanswered and I fear will never be answered is, who gave the command to NORAD to not fly that morning?
Correct me if I'm woring, but I seem to recall reading that on 11th September, 2001 NORAD was running an exercise that had them on full alert, and armed interceptors were already in the air in many parts of the country.
In the immediate days after 9/11, I recall seeing a man who flew for NORAD on TV say something about being given orders not to fly when the word came that 4 commercial airliners had veered from their filed flight path.
Naturally, this truth warrior was quickly silenced and his voice hasn't been heard since.
Expect the usual cast of right-wing characters to scream "conspiracy theory" just as they did when numerous people in Oklahoma City reported seeing an Arab looking man in the Ryder truck with Timothy McVeigh.
Now we know there was an al Qaida cell in Oklahoma City, and the eye witness reports were quite true.
It seems as though government does more harm than good these days.
Armed interceptors were ordered out of Otis Air Base on Cape Cod on the morning of 9/11. They were minutes from NYC when the second tower was hit. These were the closest interceptors available at the time. The claim that the airforce was ordered not to respond to the hijackings is in my opinion criminal. You have to keep in mind that until 9/11 the focus of national defense was outward for a very good reason. No one wanted to create a system where the military could conceivably be used for internal political purposes. This has been the policy of this nation since the founding of the republic.
found this:
So far the government simply has not answered basic questions, brought not by politicians but by families of the victims. Mindy Kleinberg, who lost her husband at the WTC, has pointed out to the commission that NORAD was not contacted by the FAA until 32 minutes after the loss of contact with Flight 11. And she called it "more baffling still" that fighters weren't scrambled from the nearest air force bases to intercept the hijacked airliners. Kleinberg noted that planes of NORAD's North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) were actually on maneuvers that morning that should have made them immediately available. Nevertheless, at 9:41 a.m., one hour and 11 minutes after NORAD confirmed that the first plane was hijacked, the skies over D.C. were unprotected and Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. Fighter jets, she pointed out, were still miles away.
dyslexia-
I am curious, since you mentioned the Pentagon.
This is a very busy, bustling area of the Washington DC area of Virgina, with roads clogged with cars, stopped at red lights at intersections, and people on foot hurrying to work.
Unlike the World Trade Center crashes, I have never read or heard an eye witness account of seeing the American 767 flying at near ground level before smashing into Pentagon. No one has reported to my knowledge hearing the scream of the huge jet engines of the Boeing wide-body either.
Am I alone in finding this a little suspect?
Okay - The government wanted 3000 people to die so we could go to war with Iraq.
Is that what you really think happened?
Questions.
i According to a 1999 CNN article, presidential approval is needed to shoot down civilian aircraft. In a report about why Payne Stewart's flight had not been shot down, it had explained, "military planes could not take aim and pull the trigger unless they received permission from the White House because only the president has the authority to order a civilian aircraft shot down." Why is it then that no one sought his authorization until 9:55 - 1 hour and 9 minutes after the first jet hit the World Trade Center and fourteen minutes after Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon?
ii Why did the president remain in the classroom while all of this was going on?
iii George Bush's location at the Florida elementary school could have easily been targeted by terrorists because his schedule for that day was publicly known. During such an unprecedented event in history why is it that George Bush was not scuttled away by Secret Service during all the mayhem, as was Dick Cheney?
iv Why is it that George Bush didn't seem all that concerned?
v Why wasn't General Myers more informed about what was going on?
vi Why were military officials in the Pentagon "urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do" when there is a standard procedure to follow in the event of a hijacking?
I don't think an airliner would have been shot down, imagine the outrage from survivors of the passengers...
It's just so darn curious...
I think the president might have stayed in the classroom so as not to make a panic for small children and their parents.
Why didn't he seem concerened? At the time do you know what information he had? I don't think so.
Rather than placing blame. Why not do something about it. Donate your time and money to help out the families or something.
saintsfanbrian
saintsfanbrian, my time donation to the Families today is to wonder why some folks continue to support and defend Bush and his administration in spite of the corruption information pouring in from many sources and from all sides?
Then, back to the topic of this tread: The Norad issue.
Why has the US government never released the photgraph taken from the parking lot security camera next to the Pentagon that allegedly shows the airliner plowing into the building?
I do not subscribe to the notion the American people can't handle seeing this event. Or, for that matter, any people.
We survived seeing the images of the WTC crashes.
ACtually I have seen that video tape. I cannot locate it at this time but I have seen it.
saint-
Then you're the only one.
The government has released a time-frame picture of a blast explosion that appears to be coming out of the Pentagon which is opposite of what would be expected of an airliner crashing into a building.
When the 2 airliners went into the World Trade Centers, the blast pattern was inward.
If you have actually seen a photo of the 767 going into the Pentagon, please post it because you're he only one with such access.