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Sun 18 Apr, 2004 11:59 pm
NORAD had drills of jets as weapons
By Steven Komarow and Tom Squitieri, USA TODAY
4/18/04
WASHINGTON ?- In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.
In a third scenario, the target was the Pentagon ?- but that drill was not run after Defense officials said it was unrealistic, NORAD and Defense officials say.
NORAD, in a written statement, confirmed that such hijacking exercises occurred. It said the scenarios outlined were regional drills, not regularly scheduled continent-wide exercises.
"Numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft," the statement said. "These exercises tested track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination and operational security and communications security procedures."
A White House spokesman said Sunday that the Bush administration was not aware of the NORAD exercises. But the exercises using real aircraft show that at least one part of the government thought the possibility of such attacks, though unlikely, merited scrutiny.
On April 8, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks heard testimony from national security adviser Condoleezza Rice that the White House didn't anticipate hijacked planes being used as weapons.
On April 12, a watchdog group, the Project on Government Oversight, released a copy of an e-mail written by a former NORAD official referring to the proposed exercise targeting the Pentagon. The e-mail said the simulation was not held because the Pentagon considered it "too unrealistic."
President Bush said at a news conference Tuesday, "Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale."
The exercises differed from the Sept. 11 attacks in one important respect: The planes in the simulation were coming from a foreign country.
Until Sept. 11, NORAD was expected to defend the United States and Canada from aircraft based elsewhere. After the attacks, that responsibility broadened to include flights that originated in the two countries.
But there were exceptions in the early drills, including one operation, planned in July 2001 and conducted later, that involved planes from airports in Utah and Washington state that were "hijacked." Those planes were escorted by U.S. and Canadian aircraft to airfields in British Columbia and Alaska.
NORAD officials have acknowledged that "scriptwriters" for the drills included the idea of hijacked aircraft being used as weapons.
"Threats of killing hostages or crashing were left to the scriptwriters to invoke creativity and broaden the required response," Maj. Gen. Craig McKinley, a NORAD official, told the 9/11 commission. No exercise matched the specific events of Sept. 11, NORAD said.
"We have planned and executed numerous scenarios over the years to include aircraft originating from foreign airports penetrating our sovereign airspace," Gen. Ralph Eberhart, NORAD commander, told USA TODAY. "Regrettably, the tragic events of 9/11 were never anticipated or exercised."
NORAD, a U.S.-Canadian command, was created in 1958 to guard against Soviet bombers.
Until Sept. 11, 2001, NORAD conducted four major exercises a year. Most included a hijack scenario, but not all of those involved planes as weapons. Since the attacks, NORAD has conducted more than 100 exercises, all with mock hijackings.
NORAD fighters based in Florida have intercepted two hijacked smaller aircraft since Sept. 11. Both originated in Cuba and were escorted to Key West in spring 2003, NORAD said.
And this suprises you? Didn't you see the movie Wargames back in the 80's? Essentially the military is constantly playing war games. And this is a good thing. It keeps them skilled to be able to do their jobs.
Or are you just trying to do a See I told you we knew it was going to happen?
Such action by NORAD is standard boiler plate response in order to ensure the safety of the American people.
Nothing new here.
However, what is criminal is that NORAD didn't take to the skies the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 when not 1, but 4 commercial airliners veered from their filed flight path.
The question that remains unanswered and I fear will never be answered is, who gave the command to NORAD to not fly that morning?
Correct me if I'm woring, but I seem to recall reading that on 11th September, 2001 NORAD was running an exercise that had them on full alert, and armed interceptors were already in the air in many parts of the country.
In the immediate days after 9/11, I recall seeing a man who flew for NORAD on TV say something about being given orders not to fly when the word came that 4 commercial airliners had veered from their filed flight path.
Naturally, this truth warrior was quickly silenced and his voice hasn't been heard since.
Expect the usual cast of right-wing characters to scream "conspiracy theory" just as they did when numerous people in Oklahoma City reported seeing an Arab looking man in the Ryder truck with Timothy McVeigh.
Now we know there was an al Qaida cell in Oklahoma City, and the eye witness reports were quite true.
It seems as though government does more harm than good these days.
Armed interceptors were ordered out of Otis Air Base on Cape Cod on the morning of 9/11. They were minutes from NYC when the second tower was hit. These were the closest interceptors available at the time. The claim that the airforce was ordered not to respond to the hijackings is in my opinion criminal. You have to keep in mind that until 9/11 the focus of national defense was outward for a very good reason. No one wanted to create a system where the military could conceivably be used for internal political purposes. This has been the policy of this nation since the founding of the republic.
found this:
So far the government simply has not answered basic questions, brought not by politicians but by families of the victims. Mindy Kleinberg, who lost her husband at the WTC, has pointed out to the commission that NORAD was not contacted by the FAA until 32 minutes after the loss of contact with Flight 11. And she called it "more baffling still" that fighters weren't scrambled from the nearest air force bases to intercept the hijacked airliners. Kleinberg noted that planes of NORAD's North East Air Defense Sector (NEADS) were actually on maneuvers that morning that should have made them immediately available. Nevertheless, at 9:41 a.m., one hour and 11 minutes after NORAD confirmed that the first plane was hijacked, the skies over D.C. were unprotected and Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. Fighter jets, she pointed out, were still miles away.
dyslexia-
I am curious, since you mentioned the Pentagon.
This is a very busy, bustling area of the Washington DC area of Virgina, with roads clogged with cars, stopped at red lights at intersections, and people on foot hurrying to work.
Unlike the World Trade Center crashes, I have never read or heard an eye witness account of seeing the American 767 flying at near ground level before smashing into Pentagon. No one has reported to my knowledge hearing the scream of the huge jet engines of the Boeing wide-body either.
Am I alone in finding this a little suspect?
Okay - The government wanted 3000 people to die so we could go to war with Iraq.
Is that what you really think happened?
Questions.
i According to a 1999 CNN article, presidential approval is needed to shoot down civilian aircraft. In a report about why Payne Stewart's flight had not been shot down, it had explained, "military planes could not take aim and pull the trigger unless they received permission from the White House because only the president has the authority to order a civilian aircraft shot down." Why is it then that no one sought his authorization until 9:55 - 1 hour and 9 minutes after the first jet hit the World Trade Center and fourteen minutes after Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon?
ii Why did the president remain in the classroom while all of this was going on?
iii George Bush's location at the Florida elementary school could have easily been targeted by terrorists because his schedule for that day was publicly known. During such an unprecedented event in history why is it that George Bush was not scuttled away by Secret Service during all the mayhem, as was Dick Cheney?
iv Why is it that George Bush didn't seem all that concerned?
v Why wasn't General Myers more informed about what was going on?
vi Why were military officials in the Pentagon "urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do" when there is a standard procedure to follow in the event of a hijacking?
I don't think an airliner would have been shot down, imagine the outrage from survivors of the passengers...
It's just so darn curious...
I think the president might have stayed in the classroom so as not to make a panic for small children and their parents.
Why didn't he seem concerened? At the time do you know what information he had? I don't think so.
Rather than placing blame. Why not do something about it. Donate your time and money to help out the families or something.
saintsfanbrian
saintsfanbrian, my time donation to the Families today is to wonder why some folks continue to support and defend Bush and his administration in spite of the corruption information pouring in from many sources and from all sides?
Then, back to the topic of this tread: The Norad issue.
Why has the US government never released the photgraph taken from the parking lot security camera next to the Pentagon that allegedly shows the airliner plowing into the building?
I do not subscribe to the notion the American people can't handle seeing this event. Or, for that matter, any people.
We survived seeing the images of the WTC crashes.
ACtually I have seen that video tape. I cannot locate it at this time but I have seen it.
saint-
Then you're the only one.
The government has released a time-frame picture of a blast explosion that appears to be coming out of the Pentagon which is opposite of what would be expected of an airliner crashing into a building.
When the 2 airliners went into the World Trade Centers, the blast pattern was inward.
If you have actually seen a photo of the 767 going into the Pentagon, please post it because you're he only one with such access.