Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2014 08:48 am
Science and the Bible have creation myths that differ in only one material respect.

1) Science informs us that the universe came out of nothing (e.g. the Big Bang).
2) The Bible informs us that the universe came out of formlessness (e.g. as a "cascade").

Which of these is better? 1) or 2)?

Science has the problem. Scientists say the link between something and nothing is hidden in mathematics: hidden because it is neither explanatory nor intuitive. This places too great a burden on mathematics which, at the end of the day, is built on evidence and intuitively graspable object behaviours.

The Bible, on the other hand, describes how forms arose out of formlessness. Unlike Science's description, this intuitively makes sense. The cascade of forms that comes out of formlessness is something we do, something we create anew, every day.

Let me give an example.
The Bible's idea implies that a TV is created out of "formlessness". Sounds odd? But we do this all the time: we apply templates or concepts, like entertainment and electronics. Without these templates we would not know if the carpet was part of the TV. In effect we create the TV out of formlessness. Every time we wake up we do this. We initiate a cascade of forms - TV's, shoes, life-forms, any and all objects. This is not creating something out of nothing. It is creating forms out of formlessness.

But something out of nothing is the scientists problem. The scientist's idea ignores the Biblical idea of formlessness, and implies that the TV cannot be created out of "nothing". Such a creation would break the laws of entropy and thermodynamics, among other things. Instead, they say that the TV was created out of other objects, and so back to the Big Bang.

The Biblical idea of a Cascade of Forms is superior to the idea of a Big Bang:
scientific mathematical refutals are not possible as the mathematics is the same for both science and the Bible; and, the mathematics in question (quantum probability) cannot be employed either as explanation, or as an intuitive handle - even for the scientists.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2014 09:45 am
@JohnJonesCardiff,
JohnJonesCardiff wrote:
Science and the Bible have creation myths that differ in only one material respect.

Incorrect. Science doesn't have a creation myth at all. Science only offers theories which match the empirical evidence.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2014 09:50 am
@JohnJonesCardiff,
Science doesn't say that the universe came out of nothing.
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JohnJonesCardiff
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jan, 2014 04:16 am
@JohnJonesCardiff,
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jan, 2014 11:26 am
If not for science, and modern technology which has come from science, we'd all be living like cave men and you'd probably already be dead from disease or misadventure. Religion can make no such claim.
JohnJonesCardiff
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jan, 2014 04:16 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

If not for science, and modern technology which has come from science, we'd all be living like cave men and you'd probably already be dead from disease or misadventure. Religion can make no such claim.


I understand how to make a wheel, but what's science?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jan, 2014 06:07 pm
@JohnJonesCardiff,
you fill the entire gap between being uninformed and being misinformed.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jan, 2014 08:49 pm
@JohnJonesCardiff,
JohnJonesCardiff wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

If not for science, and modern technology which has come from science, we'd all be living like cave men and you'd probably already be dead from disease or misadventure. Religion can make no such claim.


I understand how to make a wheel, but what's science?

The clothes you're wearing, are now manufactured by standard, well known techniques, but without science, those techniques would never have come into existence. Religion has never made and such contribution to the progress of civilization.
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