Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 10:54 pm
Is it just me or does anyone find it extremely hard to ignore their intuition?
Sometimes I get waves of negativity from certain people I work with and it makes it very hard to put on a real smile or have a happy giddy conversation with them.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 11:21 pm
@LiveLoughLaugh24,
Are you an equestrian lover by any chance?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 11:39 pm
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LiveLove said: Sometimes I get waves of negativity from certain people I work with and it makes it very hard to put on a real smile or have a happy giddy conversation with them.

Be polite towards them but don't get too chummy or their negative vibes will make you weak just like kryptonite affects Superman.

“Be courteous to all, but intimate with few; and let those be well-tried before you give them your confidence....Associate yourself with men of good quality, for ‘tis better to be alone than in bad company"- George Washington

"If you hang around with losers, you become a loser"- Donald Trump

"Bad company corrupts good character" (Bible:1 Corinthians 15:33)

"He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm" (Bible: Proverbs 13:20)
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jan, 2014 11:41 pm
@Butrflynet,
Ooof.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 01:41 am
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:

Are you an equestrian lover by any chance?


I am, but currently have a Court restraint order against any such activity.

Roll on July!
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 02:31 pm
@LiveLoughLaugh24,
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Is it just me or does anyone find it extremely hard to ignore their intuition?
Laugh you're not quite alone here in a2k where a few of us appreciate its merit, the power of the subconscious. Indeed, Einstein's early works are attributed largely to intuition
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 03:34 pm
@LiveLoughLaugh24,
Try learning the game of poker.

It is easy to learn to ignore your intuition in a situation where following your intuition costs you money.

The key is to remember that intuition is usually wrong (and often persuasively wrong).

LiveLoughLaugh24
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 09:45 pm
@maxdancona,
Not always at least not for me Wink
LiveLoughLaugh24
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 09:46 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Very we'll said. I enjoyed the quotes 8)
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:06 pm
@LiveLoughLaugh24,
Your intuition is wrong a lot more than you think it is. The problem with intuition is that it is deceptive.

When it is right, your mind makes a big deal about it. You remember the times when your intution was right. But, all those times when your intuition is wrong, you don't make a big deal about those.. in fact you just forget about them.

You could do this experiment in such a way that your mind couldn't trick you. Write down every intuition you have before you can tell whether it is going to be true or not. Then after the fact, give yourself a check if it turns about to be correct, and an 'X' if it turns out to be wrong.

If you did this experiment, you would find out that your intuition is usually wrong. In fact it is amazing how quickly intuition turns out to be very unreliable as soon as you put it to a scientific test.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 11:38 am
@maxdancona,
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…. of poker.….where following your intuition costs you money.……. remember that intuition is usually wrong…...
It's not as reliable as Pure Science but in a situation where it's all we got…..

However Max in poker I don't think intuition is operating as powerfully as plain old cupidity
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 12:11 pm
@LiveLoughLaugh24,
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Sometimes I get waves of negativity from certain people I work with….
In a situation such as this, 24, you should probably listen to it, maybe if possible ID the repressed subconscious mechanism responsible

A game of poker however is something else
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 01:50 pm
@maxdancona,
The other thing is that often you get an intuition or a 'sense' and then your head starts to debate it and you end up talking yourself out of it.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 02:17 pm
@Mame,
Yea Mame, Reason is mighty stubborn faced with cogitation of the Subconscious
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timur
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 02:30 pm
@maxdancona,
Well stated.

I learned intuition is wrong the hard way.

Quite a few times, I had the intuition that some stocks were going up.

Sadly, it was not so..

Now, relying on math, it goes much better..
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 02:42 pm
@Mame,
Sure Mame. I use intuition as part of creativity. It is there to give me ideas to explore and things to consider. But I would never base an even marginally important decision on intuition.

It is a good thing to start with intuition end then end with reason.

The problem is that intuition is not only quite often wrong. It can be deceptively wrong, sincerely wrong and sometimes dangerously wrong. And in a competitive situation (like poker) it is predictably wrong. Once I understand the prejudices behind your intuition (for example if you overestimate the chance of a flush) I have a significant advantage.

I have seen women use this to their advantage. The typical player forms intuitions about how someone will play based on appearances-- women are thought to be timid. A woman who plays against they way they are expected to play can win money off people's prejudice. Sometimes this is fun to watch.

But as part of a process of creativity, intuition plays a valid role, as long as you don't pretend that your intuition is reasonable.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 04:19 pm
Astrology though, that's bang on.

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Dave Gorman's Important Astrology Experiment

His second television series, broadcast on BBC Two, was entitled Dave Gorman's Important Astrology Experiment and was based upon the idea of a controlled scientific experiment, although naturally not a serious one. The series had six episodes.

The premise was that it would test whether or not astrology really worked. Over the course of forty days, he would try to follow any instructions given to people with his star sign in a selection of horoscopes, while his "control experiment" (his twin brother, Nick) ignored them. Each would record the events of each day, and how they fared in each of three areas of life: love, health and wealth. On each episode of the show, Dave would show footage of the amusing situations he got into by trying to follow his horoscope, and then asked a panel of "experts", agony aunt Denise Robertson (love), GMTV's Dr. Hilary Jones (health) and financial expert Alvin Hall (money), in the studio to assess how he had fared in the three areas. Following an audience vote, Dave would display on a "happiness graph" the difference between how he and his twin brother had fared that week, and whether it showed that astrology had produced a positive effect, a negative effect, or no significant effect at all.

The results of the 'experiment' were dramatic indeed. The various charts showed that his overall happiness, love and wealth steadily began to recede over time (especially wealth as he was forced to travel excessively). Throughout the experiment he had numerous adventures, including travelling to New York to meet a long lost friend and then leaving a few hours later because he was ordered to spend as much time at home as possible, sharing pizza in a park while dressed in a rubber suit, and the ethical trauma of reading an illegally acquired pornographic magazine at Sunday lunch in front of his mother.

The most notable stunt he had to perform was standing in Covent Garden on one leg with his foot in a bucket of water, a tangerine in one hand, and some breakfast cereal in the other, in a bowl that cost £85 from Harrods, singing the national anthem backwards and balancing three books on his head. This was taken entirely literally from a very odd horoscope by Jonathan Cainer, which Gorman deemed so implausible that he did in fact present the copy of the newspaper which published it in the studio, while noting his suspicion that perhaps the author of the horoscope found out about his experiment and was pulling a prank on him.

He showed that his wealth was rapidly declining, as were happiness and love, until, on the last day he invested the last of his money to travel to Dubai to watch a golf tournament (the Dubai Desert Classic) and bet on Ian Woosnam, a golfer that shared his birthday (and would therefore share his luck). He emptied his account to travel there and, using his lucky number of the day from each of the 40 days of his experiment to determine how much he should bet, went ahead with the plan. However, he then found out that not only was gambling illegal in the country, but also that his lucky number indicated he should bet 2,903 Dirhams, which at the time was £549. Ultimately he borrowed the money from his mother and asked her to bet the sum on Ian Woosnam to win the match of the day – as he had been instructed by his horoscope.

With his happiness at an all time low, love scraping the bottom and his finances in an extremely negative position, the experts, his mother, Danny, the crowd and, of course, Dave himself could only hope the bet would pay off – which it ultimately did at odds long enough to place him not only back at level wealth, but supplying him with twice as much cash as he had started off with.

Therefore, he "proved" that astrology works and has made him happier than the control.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Gorman#Dave_Gorman.27s_Important_Astrology_Experiment
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Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 05:25 pm
@maxdancona,
I don't think intuition is reasonable. Maybe a little magical thinking here but I definitively think there's something to it. I think maybe there's a built in program or instinct to steer one clear of trouble. As far as the fine tuning goes...well..I can't substantiate proof.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 05:31 pm
@Germlat,
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I think maybe there's a built in program or instinct to steer one clear of trouble.


How do you explain all the people being steered into trouble? In every fatal plane crash there are people whose intuition told them to be on that plane. You just never hear people talking saying how wrong their intuition was. You only ever hear from those lucky few whose intuitions happened to guess correctly on that one day.

Not that many years ago, I was telling the story about how that magical inner voice led me to find love in my wife.... Now she is my ex-wife and there is no longer evidence about how magical that inner voice was (it turns out from where I sit right now to have been a tragically stupid voice). I haven't told that story in those terms before.

Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jan, 2014 05:48 pm
@maxdancona,
Funny thing is I completely agree with you. But-- there's still a little something about intuition..I still feel as though it's an instinct.
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