The atheist argument - explanation and advice.

@Romeo Fabulini,

You stated an untruth, in an attempt to discredit a people you actually seem to know **** about, and despite your claim being completely debunked, you will not concede that you were wrong again.

Your stupid question has another simple answer that could have been found easily with a simple search. It is a registered charity and is funded entirely by voluntary donations.
from the SAME article AGAIN Mick, just a few sentences prior

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Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that they have no policy of silence, and that elders are directed to report abuse to authorities when there is evidence of abuse

They may get a lot of bad press, but I have a lot of time for them, they are the closest thing to good christians I know,

you on the other hand ARE FULL OF **** - Jesus said in Matthew somewhere.

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Anonymously said: I'm not understanding

The Jehovah's Witnesses re-wrote the bible to suit their own cockamamie beliefs and called it the 'New World Translation' -

"The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology"

http://www.gotquestions.org/New-World-Translation.html

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@Romeo Fabulini,

How do you know that Romeo Fagulini? Do you have hard evidence to prove your alligations?

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Calamity said: They [JW's] may get a lot of bad press, but I have a lot of time for them, they are the closest thing to good christians I know

Well why do they get a bad press?

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Anomalously wrote:

Do you have hard evidence to prove your alligations?

Is that what alligators do?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

And seeing as Neo just took another pop at me, I'll take a pop at his JW's by asking where they get all their money from?-[/i]

Beats me. We don't tithe. And our literature is free.
Folks must just give us money.
Thanks for helping me make that point, old boy.

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@anonymously99stwin,

anonymously99stwin wrote:

I've had thoughts of burning the bibe. Envisioned me doing so.

I don't know what that means.

Fans of the Biebe would be distressed, as would his mom, I'm sure.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

The Jehovah's Witnesses re-wrote the bible to suit their own cockamamie beliefs and called it the 'New World Translation' -

Perfectly willing to use the KJV, sir.

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@anonymously99stwin,

anonymously99stwin wrote:

How do you know that Romeo Fagulini? Do you have hard evidence to prove your alligations?

No need to disparage Romeo's last name. The alligators will find him just the same.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Calamity wrote:

They [JW's] may get a lot of bad press, but I have a lot of time for them, they are the closest thing to good christians I know

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Well why do they get a bad press?

You seem to have dredged up all the dirt.
We don't vote
We refuse blood transfusions.
We don't go to war.
Some of our members have at times, committed serious felonies. Some have repented. Those who have not are no longer JWs.
Yeah, we knock on your door. One even interrupted izzy whilst he was performing his morning ablutions.
Got anything else? Go ahead and dig.

Oh, the latest translation, the Revised New World Translation, was released in early October. Several million were distributed within days (free).

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@neologist,

Typos are very common when books are re written.

I think that if someone has a belief it doesn't matter how that belief is addressed, written, etc else as long as the evidence of that belief is provided.

For example. A book of life, common facts of life can be re written a thousand plus times with endless typos. Those who believe in the book of life, well known common facts aren't going to mind the typos. It's all the same.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo wrote:

Well why do they get a bad press?

that is all you have to comment on from what I've thrown at you? no'one likes "crackpot" religions that follow their message so strictly. It is not considered normal in todays society.

If you look at their history they haven't set out to make friends anywhere, they started out as a bible study group that went to the churches to point out their wrong doctrines, and when they refused to change the doctrines, they started publishing leaflets exposing them and handing them out after sermons, that is a good way to get any religion pissed off, they took on the churches, pissed off the governments by not voting and refusing national service, to top it off there isn't a place on earth you can get away from their proselytism. They also piss off their own former members by excommunicating those that don't live up to the standards expected of them.

When you publish tabloid crap versions of the things they believe like you do, they don't appear to be looking for press opportunities to put it right or publicise the charitable work they do.

The ones I know are at the very least good people with good morals.

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@anonymously99stwin,

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timur wrote:

Anomalously wrote: Do you have hard evidence to prove your alligations?

Timur: Is that what alligators do?

Anon wrote: No. Alligators scare the people at the beach away while they read their bibles. That is why I asked Romeo Fabulini to check the water. Since I know how much of a bible thumper he is. He must protect his fans.

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Anomalously wrote:

Alligators scare the people at the beach

Care to cite some of those beaches?

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@timur,

Anomalously wrote:

Alligators scare the people at the beach

timur wrote:

Care to cite some of those beaches?

This could get to be a fabulous exchange of ideas. Very Happy

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@neologist,

If people are not sound about writing, about fauna, how can they be sound about systems of beliefs?

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@timur,

As mentioned many times.

"It's all in my head."

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Romeo Fabulini wrote:
The Jehovah's Witnesses re-wrote the bible to suit their own cockamamie beliefs and called it the 'New World Translation' -
Perfectly willing to use the KJV, sir.

In the New World Translation of 1 John 4:18 the word kolasis is translated as "restrains" by way of The Emphatic Diaglot, the Jehovah’s Witnesses translation of the New Testament:

"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts fear out, because fear restrains us. Indeed, the one who is fearful has not been made perfect in love."

I'm not aware of any other translation of the New Testament that uses the word "restrains" or "restraint" other than the New World Translation.

In the King James Version the word kolasis is translated as "torment," which is translated by Strong's Concordance as "torment, punishment." Further, it's translated by Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament as "correction, punishment, penalty":

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

In most of the other translations either of the words "punishment" or "torment" are used to translate the word kolasis.

The word "pain" is used in the Douay-Rheims Edition and "painfulness" by the Geneva Bible.

Likewise, there are redactions that appear in the NWT that do not in other translations, e.g. in regard to the use of the word "Jehovah."

I suspect that the word "restraint" is used by the JW's to avoid its meaning in regard to their dogma about hell and the afterlife.

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@timur,

Tongue in cheek not recognized?
Sorry.
Sticking tongue out now. Razz

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@InfraBlue,

One meaning of the word kolasis refers to cutting off, lopping off or drastic pruning. So, it could be a punishment or a correction. It appears also in Matthew 25:46. At any rate, those whose love is motivated by fear of punishment, restraint, or correction can not be said to truly love.

As far as the use of the word Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures, it is used whenever the tetragrammaton appears in the Hebrew verse quoted. We can be sure the [NT] writers made use of this because of Jesus' reverence for his father's name. (Matthew 6:9 and others)

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