The atheist argument - explanation and advice.

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FBM said: Why should anybody care what Jesus said?

You could say the same about Dawkins, Buddha, Mohammed, Nietzche, or Hitchens etc etc.. Wink

As open-minded truthseekers it's our DUTY to discuss what they all say.
Why Jesus? Well he did say-
"You have no idea where I come from or where I am going, I am not of this world" (John 8:14/ 8:23)

and he bent the laws of "reality" by doing stunts that even David Blaine would find hard to copy, so it's certainly worth contemplating where exactly DID Jesus come from?.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

How do you know he bent the laws of reality?

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FBM said: How do you know he bent the laws of reality?

Overwhelming eyewitness evidence.. Smile

He went on the road all over Israel for 3 years in front of the whole Israeli population and the Roman army garrison, that's a lot of eyeballs and a lot of gigs!
The 37 recorded miracles-

Bringing little girl back to life
Bringing widows son back to life
Bringing Lazarus back to life
Stilling the storm
Feeding 4000
Walking on sea
Feeding 5000
Coin in fishes mouth
Withering fig tree
Big catch of fish
Water into wine
Another big fish catch
Healing leper
Healing Centurions servant
Healing Peters mother-in-law
Healing sick at evening
Healing paralysed man
Healing haemorraging woman
Healing two blind men
Healing mans withered hand
Healing Canaanite womans daughter
Healing boy with seizures
Healing blind man
Healing deaf and dumb man
Healing another blind man
Healing crippled woman
Healing man with dropsy
Healing 10 lepers
Restoring a cut-off ear
Healing noblemans sons fever
Healing crippled man at Bethesda
Healing a born-blind man
Casting out demons into pigs
Curing a mute lunatic
Casting out dirty spirit
Curing a possessed blind-dumb man
Appeared to his followers after his death

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@Romeo Fabulini,

By that standard, there is even greater evidence for the Hindu gods, seeing as how they outdate the Bible myths by many centuries and have been "eyewitnessed" my many millions more. You don't have eyewitnesses. You have ancient stories made up and passed down by illiterate Bronze Age goat herders.

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FBM said: By that standard, there is even greater evidence for the Hindu gods, seeing as how they outdate the Bible myths by many centuries and have been "eyewitnessed" my many millions more. You don't have eyewitnesses. You have ancient stories made up and passed down by illiterate Bronze Age goat herders.

They must have been krap hindu "gods" to let themselves be completely upstaged by our boy from Nazareth.. Smile

The egyptian lot are bad enough, but the hindu crew (below) are just as freaky, they might be able to make chicken vindaloo better than JC but that's about all.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

3- You say "falsehoods" are in the bible?

"Prove it!"

It's already been proven, I'm not going to do it again.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

3- You say "falsehoods" are in the bible?

"Prove it!"

It's already been proven, I'm not going to do it again.

****, the only real question is where to start: http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

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You're feeding a troll, FBM. He has posted this BS before, and if he finds another victim, he'll post it again--images included. Most of all, he likes to post pretty pictures, and it is a matter of indifference to him if it's relevant.

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@Setanta,

Yeah, I know. I've seen him. It never hurts to make him look stoopid, though, does it? Wink

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@FBM,

Agreed

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Why should anybody care what Jesus said?

Well he did hit on one area of comparison for all belief systems, religious, patriotic, etc.
I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves. (John 13: 34,35)

In its application, I have no argument with those who would die for their belief. It is the ones who would kill for their belief that I take issue with.

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@neologist,

Yep. And I have yet to hear of any atheist crusades.

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@FBM,

Many atheists, as well as many theists of varying stripes will take up arms against targets of similar ism.

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FBM said: It never hurts to make him [RF] look stoopid, though, does it?
Neologist said: Agreed

Neo baby, i'd have thought you'd have learnt by now not to throw punches at me! As a Jehovah's Witness, you and your JW chums are clean off the "stoopid" scale.. Wink

For example you'd rather let your kids die than have a transfusion, you think Jesus was crucified on a pole, you think church spires, christmas, easter and birthdays are evil, you refuse to salute the stars and stripes and won't fight in any war.
And despite you having spent over 40 years in the JW's you still admit you sometimes know jack .. Wink

"When I'm wrong, I fess up to it" (Neologist 21 Sep 013)
"I'm no genius..One of my main reasons for posting here is to sharpen my understanding" (Neologist 21 Sep 013)
"JWs are most certainly not perfect" (Neologist 18 Aug 2006)

Now stick out yer chin!

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FBM said: "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge"- Stephen Hawking

That's the idea mate, raise one point at a time like a precisely-aimed sniper shot rather than firing off big waffly shotgun blasts like many debaters do.. Smile

To answer:-
This is the 'Atheist Bible', it's full of blank pages because there's nothing in it, so there's not much chance of getting knowledge of any kind from it.. Smile

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FBM wrote: "The massacre of the innocents ordered by Herod was massive enough to call for contemporary historians to record it as a significant event of the time.
Yet not even the most detailed account of Herod's life, written by Josephus, mentions this event" Matt 2:16

Mate, you're admitting that some historians (OUTSIDE of the Bible) recorded the fact that Herod killed all the baby boys in the hope that Jesus was among them, thanks for that.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

There is no atheist bible that I'm aware of. Instead, there are textbooks about real things.

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Neologist wrote: [Jesus said] I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another; just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves. (John 13: 34,35)
In its application, I have no argument with those who would die for their belief. It is the ones who would kill for their belief that I take issue with.

When they tried to arrest Jesus, his right-hand man Peter drew his sword and whacked the high priest's flunky across the head with it, slicing off his ear.
Jesus told him to stop, but the fact is that he allowed him to carry it in the first place, probably as a deterrent to muggers.
Same with all tyrants (Kaiser/Yamamoto/Hitler/Ho Chi Minh/Saddam, Gaddafi, Bin Laden etc), we have the free will to either let them run riot or tackle them.
For example if Americans hadn't stopped Yamamoto, he'd have been sipping tea in the White House and all the yanks would be speaking Japanese now.. Wink

Wartime poster-

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America's answer:- P-38's shoot down and kill Yamamoto-

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