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Can one proof that god DOESN'T exist?

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 01:00 pm
Er, come again?
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Booman
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 01:12 pm
Gonna' make me work, huh Snood? Rolling Eyes
...Okay....I believe through study and meditation one may come somewhere in the neighborhood, of getting an idea of God, or the supreme entity, but you can't put it into words. When someone tries to give you a definitive, absolute description,...Don't believe the hype.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 01:24 pm
Booman, I think there is something about prayer that puts the prayer into a certain frame of mind that is satisfying to that individual. That experience is inherent in humans, and therefore the creation of gods and religions. If that is the source of proving a god, who's to argue? c.i.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 01:29 pm
In other words? If it helps, it is good!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:28 pm
Essentially, yes. c.i.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:30 pm
One must be careful here; some extremist Muslims pray to god for the destruction of Americans. c.i.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:35 pm
Well, c.i., perhaps that works to help them focus their destructive impulses . . .
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:41 pm
....with the assist of a supreme being. c.i.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:42 pm
Don't they wish . . .
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Booman
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:51 pm
Funny you should only mention Muslims in that context. You are aware that the Klu Klux Klan, consider themselves to be a religious order right? And many, many prople of Christian, and Jewish faiths, have killed in the name of God.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 02:59 pm
Booman, The KKK has more or less gone underground, and their activities reduced to very little in number. On the other hand, Al Qaeda is uppermost in our minds with their terrorism and security warnings from our government on regular basis to keep in our conscienceness. We are all aware of the Christians and Jews who have been killed in the name of god, but as for the moment, extremist Muslims are uppermost in most minds. c.i.
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 03:01 pm
To sum up (my posts), tendency toward God is logical as well as emotional. And hence inclination toward God turns out very human.

Numbers are logical without inherent impossibility of the proof of consistency (Godel), and they hold a key to your understanding of the universe.
If God(-like --Godel's wording) is logical, it could be a key to your understanding of Cosmos.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 03:12 pm
This is quite a long thread and I am getting in late so perhaps my post is just duplication of those before, but to address the Original question:

All religions whether classic or new age and philosophies such as atheism are beliefs and therefore not subject to proofs. A believer merely needs faith to be a member.

Some will argue that scientists are trying to prove there is no God. Once one understands how science works he/she will realize this is not science's goal and that science is only interested in explanations of phenomena that can be proven or proved not to be true (A theory that cannot be proved false is considered unscientific and thereby rejected out of hand by scientists).

If one tries to employ logic to prove God Does not exist one must come to an abrupt halt simply because one of the tenets of logic is that you cannot prove a negative.

There have been numerous attempts (especially in the 18th century) to prove that God does exist but these were flawed mostly because of beginning assumptions that the final argument and conclusions were built upon.

Respectfully,

JM
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satt fs
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 03:35 pm
JamesMorrison..
Logic can prove negative. If a system A is shown to be contradictory (typically '1=0') inside, A does not serve to any purpose.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 03:48 pm
If god has no personality, how would he know there is wrong and right? c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 04:03 pm
C.I., God does not know. He defines this.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 04:11 pm
If he defines it, he knew and crated it. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 04:14 pm
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Booman
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 05:26 pm
Striessd,
...That's hearsay....And please don't accuse me of heresy
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Booman
 
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Reply Tue 11 Feb, 2003 05:28 pm
C.I.,
...Oh Allright,...you sure know how to take the fight out of a guy. Rolling Eyes
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