5
   

The nursery where/which is fantastic for young children

 
 
Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:10 pm
Hello!
I have a problem with the sentence;
The nursery where/which is fantastic for young children.
Could you please tell me what should I choose?
Where or which?
Thanks!
  • Topic Stats
  • Top Replies
  • Link to this Topic
Type: Question • Score: 5 • Views: 578 • Replies: 12
No top replies

 
hingehead
 
  2  
Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:36 pm
@tedious1,
Not where, makes no sense. Which is a little odd, a bit passive. I'd be tempted to just say:

The nursery is fantastic for children.
0 Replies
 
PUNKEY
 
  0  
Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:38 pm
Your "sentence" is not a sentence at all. Try:

We like the XYZ nursery, which is fantastic for young children.

My child attends the XYZ nursery, where it is fantastic for young children.

tedious1
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 06:49 am
@PUNKEY,
Ohh.. I am sorry.
The nursery ________ looks after Amy is fantastic for young children.
should I put here WHERE or WHICH?
hingehead
 
  1  
Reply Sun 22 Dec, 2013 07:04 pm
@tedious1,
The nursery ________ looks after Amy is fantastic for young children.

'which' works, but like I said I prefer the more active 'that'.

'where' definitely does not work.
contrex
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 02:10 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

The nursery ________ looks after Amy is fantastic for young children.

'which' works, but like I said I prefer the more active 'that'.

'where' definitely does not work.


Would definitely prefer 'which'. Consider the following sentences. Both are acceptable, but their meanings are subtly different:

The books, which have red covers, are new.
The books that have red covers are new.

In the first sentence, the words "which have red covers" are adding information about the books. That is, they're telling you more about the books than you'd otherwise have known. (They're red, not some other colour.) All of the books are new.

In the second sentence, the words "that have red covers" are limiting which books we're talking about. We're no longer talking about all the books; we're only talking about the ones with red covers. So this time, only the red books are new.

Some people use which (surrounded by commas) if a group of words adds information, and that if to limit the set of things being discussed.

More:

Classes that are held on Wednesdays are in building 206.
Leap years, which have 366 days, contain an extra day in February.

In the first sentence, the words "that are held on Wednesdays" are limiting the type of classes that we're talking about. (We're not talking about all the classes, only the ones held on Wednesdays.) We thus use that.

In the second sentence, the words "which have 366 days" are adding information. We thus use which surrounded by commas.

Most people are unaware of this distinction and use that and which interchangeably. In most instances, this doesn't cause undue confusion.

In formal business or technical communications (for example, contracts, tenders or technical specifications), though, such ambiguities can give rise to serious legal and financial problems. A pedantic attitude to the difference between that and which may be very necessary for business or technical communications.
hingehead
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 05:17 pm
@contrex,
Hi contrex

I honestly can't see the distinction here.

Quote:
The books, which have red covers, are new.
The books that have red covers are new.

In the first sentence, the words "which have red covers" are adding information about the books. That is, they're telling you more about the books than you'd otherwise have known. (They're red, not some other colour.) All of the books are new.

In the second sentence, the words "that have red covers" are limiting which books we're talking about. We're no longer talking about all the books; we're only talking about the ones with red covers. So this time, only the red books are new.


But I've always leant to description rather than prescription - being an anarchist at heart.
0 Replies
 
hingehead
 
  1  
Reply Mon 23 Dec, 2013 05:23 pm
@contrex,
Actually I can see the difference - but in this example I can't see any practical difference. In both cases red books are new. If all the books are red then in fact why not say 'the books are red and new'? It seems a needless complication. But I confess to be thinking in the framework of a spoken conversation, not a written communication

In a legal context there maybe examples where this matters but I would hope a decent contract writer would find a better way of removing ambiguity then to rely on fairly arcane usage rules. Overly optimistic, I'm sure.
McTag
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 04:25 pm
@hingehead,

Quote:
If all the books are red


an unwarranted assumption, and the answer to your problem lies there.

Happy Christmas.
hingehead
 
  1  
Reply Tue 24 Dec, 2013 05:02 pm
@McTag,
It's not an assumption McT, it's one of two possibilities. In both cases red books are new; in one case all the books are red. Put down that eggnog. Merry Christmas.
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 26 Dec, 2013 10:31 pm
@contrex,
You don't understand what Contrex is talking about, Hinge, because
Contrex doesn't know what he is talking about.
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 26 Dec, 2013 10:35 pm
@hingehead,
These are not "arcane usage rules", HH, they are simply fatuous usage
rules.
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 26 Dec, 2013 10:39 pm
@tedious1,
"which" 'cause the language doesn't hold a meaning that supports
"Where".

In,

The nursery where young children receive excellent training .



0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

deal - Question by WBYeats
Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic - Discussion by Robert Gentel
Please, I need help. - Question by imsak
Is this sentence grammatically correct? - Question by Sydney-Strock
"come from" - Question by mcook
concentrated - Question by WBYeats
 
  1. Forums
  2. » The nursery where/which is fantastic for young children
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.07 seconds on 05/04/2024 at 06:40:18