Why do people deny evolution?

@farmerman,

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You really have lots of confidence dont you?
Ever work with isotopes?

Why dont you post what you said. I dont feel like looking through all these pages of posts to find something I may or may not even agree with.
Cmon, Im giving you an opportunity to show us how smart you really are, or are not.

No, mate! with your hundreds of ad hominems. please go away.
You are not even able to have a decent conversation or discussion.
I just proved , for othere more aware readers not you, that you DO NOT read all my postings, otherwise you would have never made such an extremely stupid strange and awkward 'argument'.

You are up to no good.and lazy as well it seems.

poor poor poor kids.

You are on 'ignore' again.

where do these strange people come from?

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@OldGrumpy,

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so you don't get it?

anyway, any evidence QM works?

No?

Thought so

where does this moron come from?

So, heres a direct lift from one of your Quahog days in 2013 or 14 (who cares). Same stupidity
Same tone
Same incredulity
same blah blah blah

Just because you dint understand Quantum Physics or Quantum Chem means just that you arent able to learn it. I it you or your teachers?? If ya want to learn a bot about isotopic clocks, besides me, there are three others here whove had pr have similar training and experience in a number of methods of nuke or non-nuke means.

You aint one of us.

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https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3c/eb/3f/3ceb3f3cb2f1c09a7e04c8cbc3e35f88.jpg

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@hingehead,

what a joke! you clearly have no clue, like fm, what it is all about.

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Heres Paleontological art project. Construct a clock face wherein all the geologic ages from the Hadean to the "prolocene" (the anthropogenic priod) are presented in the % of elapsed time can be seen.
wed have
Hadean
Archean
Proterozoic
Paleozoic
Mesozoic
Cenozoic

(extra credit will be given for the correct depiction of the "eras" (for the precambrian times ) and the "periods" for the Paleozoic through the Neogene , (nd, of course the prolocene)

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@farmerman,

I guess you left out the range including Cambrian because it would be covered up by the minute hand and we couldn't see the fine print required?

It would be a shame to leave out the most interesting one.

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@Leadfoot,

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I guess you left out the range including Cambrian because it would be covered up by the minute hand and we couldn't see the fine print required?

It would be a shame to leave out the most interesting one.

Didn't you know he is very selective? Wink

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@Leadfoot,

huh? The Paleozoic usually begins with the basal Cambrian or have I missed the memo??
PALEOZOIC = (Cambrian Ordovician Silurian Devonian Mississippian, Permian) no? Why is Cambrian mot interesting?? OH YEH, you IDers make believe that "God did it" all at once and in the dark. Cmon, YOU KNOW BETTER. (Not sure about the'Hog though)

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@farmerman,

Never mind, Seems USGS had made one for the eras .

http://francistapon.com/images/travels/cdt/History-Earth.jpg

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@farmerman,

The "mathemtics" of evolution had been based upon
Small changes
Large populations
ample time

Wm Bateson briefly overturned Darwin's discoveries based on Darwin's own experimentation with "artificial selection" of homing pigeons. Then Wm Castle discovered that Darwin was correct as shown by Castles experiments with "hooded rats".
What was Castle's discovery? (besides rats are gross?)

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@farmerman,

But ya get my point, your clock face spot for the Cambrian would hardly show up.

Just seems odd that the time when 99+ % of evolution happened is less than 2% of the time. But I'm sure you got a logical reason for that. Weather/conditions changed, oxygen atmosphere, etc. Yeah.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

But I'm sure you got a logical reason for that. Weather/conditions changed, oxygen atmosphere, etc. Yeah.

I bet he doesn't list *poofism* as one of his logical reasons.

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

But ya get my point, your clock face spot for the Cambrian would hardly show up.

Just seems odd that the time when 99+ % of evolution happened is less than 2% of the time. But I'm sure you got a logical reason for that. Weather/conditions changed, oxygen atmosphere, etc. Yeah.

And is should be obvious to everyone that even the humble cell was quite evolved and complex long before the Cambrian.

Finding fossil shells is easy, but finding fossil cells is hard.

No matter what anyone implies, 99% of evolution didn't happen in that 2% slice. A large amount of visible change at the macro scale happened in that multi-million year slice, but there was already a wealth of complexity and variation accumulated in the planetary genome long before that.

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@Leadfoot,

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But ya get my point, your clock face spot for the Cambrian would hardly show up.

Just seems odd that the time when 99+ % of evolution happened is less than 2% of the time. But I'm sure you got a logical reason for that. Weather/conditions changed, oxygen atmosphere, etc. Yeah.

Youre dead wrong again . The majority of Paleozoic life appeared at about a rate 0f 98% of the species occuring AFTER the early Cambrian(and he bulk of the phyla already existing BEFORE the basal Cambrian

The proterozoic includes the Ediacaran segments that the real " medium Hard shell" fossils first appeared.(Dickinsonia etc)
Wjhen your creationist friends try to bamboozle the time sequence of life, the only thing that the 40 to 60 my segment of the"Cambrian Explosion" produced was hard parts of several species like gastropods and early trilobites.

Nice try but , you really have no point "to get"

From Archeozoa through Proterozoa look at the time spent to get life to a point where internal organs and eyes and eggs first appeared. Adding hard parts is hardly a point in time (At least 60 million years isnt. Look how quickly birds first occured, or amphibians through reptiles. How bout gymnosperms and first appearances of Angiosperms.

You are easily impressed, others are not.
I consider a million years a lot of time for animals to adapt and evolve, imagine several TENS OF MILLIONS.

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@rosborne979,

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No matter what anyone implies, 99% of evolution didn't happen in that 2% slice. A large amount of visible change at the macro scale happened in that multi-million year slice, but there was already a wealth of complexity and variation accumulated in the planetary genome long before that.

You are rarely this wrong, but this time you're spouting BS.

Virtually all of the current body plans/morphology came about during the Cambrian. The rest is just 'scale'.
I am amazed at the level of 'Cambrian Denial' in these discussions.

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@farmerman,

Number of 'species' has nothing to do with it. You clowns call a change in beak size or shape a new specie. Means nothing.

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@Leadfoot,

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your clock face spot for the Cambrian would hardly show up

Just in case you are still a bit confused, A starting point of each Geologic period is defined by rocks in which occur the first appearances of a series of specific species within a defined geographic area for which the erathem was named (Its called a "type section").Cambrian Period is named for the rocks of the Cambrian Hills in UK within which are the initial and earliest appearances of trilobites,monoplacophores and INARTICULATE brachiopods) Its not an arbitrary "point" where some life just happens to "sneak in under the clock" All the periods of the Paleozoic or Mesozoic are so defined

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@Leadfoot,

I have no idea where you read that **** but lose it, its dead wrong. MOST of the species beyond the three I mentioned happened AFTER the basal Cambrian.
Get a copy of the AIG Glossary of Geology or the International Staritigraphic Nomenclature Dictionary.

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@Leadfoot,

Well, when you teach geology and stratigraphy, you can teach any trash you wish. When I say species I mean NEW species and NEW PHYLA.
Sounds like youre sitting at the foot of "Dr Dino"

I know that all youve done is look up some crap on Creationist websites. THEY HAVE NO CRED in science. If you wish to believe that you are free, but dont try to talk with anyone with training and experience..
Youre in my court clown dont try to fake your way through by posing Hovind or "Flood Geology"

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

Virtually all of the current body plans/morphology came about during the Cambrian.

Yes, body plans... multi-cellular body plans. What do you think was happening in the 3 billion years before the Cambrian when the seas were chock full of evolving cells. Where do you think the internal functions of cells came from?

Not surprisingly at all, most of the hard work in evolution occurred at the cellular stage and took a very very long time with many many many more generations to accumulate change in the genome.

Many people don't realize just how much evolution went into the humble cell. But those things are complex. And given the amount of time it took to get to a multi-cellular stage and the higher generation rate of cells, it's clear that a vast majority of evolutionary development occurred prior to multi-cellular life even arising.

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