Why do people deny evolution?

You really know how to hurt a guy!

Are you looking for sympathy ed? I can't think of another reason for you demonstrating that you never learned how to read.

Shhhh. Don't tell Tiktaliik rosaea she's listening and is very proud of her" intermediate" status among fishapods.

lol

You just proved that you don't read my postings at all!



funny.

you don't seem to be able to make 'normal' postings anymore.

Anyway, why do you still believe in the religion called 'evolution'?

Please do tell, but please don't tell because it is in 'beautifull professional looking glossy magazines" ok?

"belief" is for Easter Bunnies and Santa Claus. When you work in a field of science and see the evidence every day , it becomes an easy acceptance of a fact (its all based upon understanding nd does require an investment in time and effort).
Arguing with you is like explaining Continental Drift to a parakeet. Why not just fly away and eat some sunflower seeds and we will all be happy.

Of course. Why should I waste time being logical and somewhat avuncular with you? Youre an idiot.

offcourse you don´t have to waste time. so go somewhere else, what is your problem?

And for you writing me being an ´idiot´ well, I don´t care,
But I don´t understand why you want to call me names.
Only people under certain ages do

Mostly, people use namecalling when they are feeling powerless for whatever reason.

do you?

O my o my. Seem to be one with lots of problems.
Offcourse it is all about beliefs.

And.. you just proved to me you didn´t see the film I posted.

That´s for sure.

I think your only reason for being here is namecalling it seems.

I feel sorry for you, really I do.

Ive already read the Safarti book (mostly because I sit on an advisory committee for science education)
Youd be amazed at how those clown friends of his try to get books like his and Austens, and Johnson, nd Behe incorporated into real cience curriculum because the "believe that the supernatural should be included as a scientific discipline"

If you believe that same way as Safarti (and state with a strait face that youre NOT a FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN) and don't take any time to have the discipline to try to understand facts , then Ive got nothing I want to impose on you (with the exception of derision and insult ).
I have no idea how old you are , youre not a kid because you sound somewhat jaded and just adult enough to take on these politicized areas and are easily "buying" bullshit because your party is so aligned.

I have to snicker at your "book selection " list. You claim its scince when 2 of the authors have been identified with the very movements that the USSC had identified in the Edwards v Aguillard decision . In other words, what you post aint even science IT IS RELIGION. You seem to miss that entire point.

youre a clown ,but an evil one.

I understand you better now. I really do
You are not only indctrinated with this crap, you are also indoctrinating others with this crap.
You probably do this many man years,
And now, somewhone who you call ´clown´ comes by and is saying that it is all crap you are doing,
No wonder there is a lot of resistance here! I understand better now.

Calling me a ´clown´ or even ´evil clown´ won´t help.

That is offcourse, as anyone can see, just childish yelling and name calling, and actualy tells most people more about you then about me offcourse.

truth is truth. even if you don´t like it.

What I don´t understand is that you are still here reacting to my postings,
Do you understand it yourself?

Ive been here for several years and engage with all kinds of people with different opinions on the subject. I usually try to be patient until (folks like you who are bitter and jaded in their dealings with science), attempt to, usually by insult, make their points in a non respectful fashion, I lose patience with their idiocy.

You have NO impact on scince and research. Youre a piss stain in the ocean. Theres another on this board who feels that what he says will have an effect on how science moves ahead.

You are just a pair of complete idiots who have had the misfortune of NOT being born 600 years too late. (Course, if you were living 600 years ago, youd have to yell at horse traffic rather than post your ignorance on a computer and then claim that modern science is a hoax, and besides, if you were over 40 years, youd already be DEAD).



As far as my serving on an ed advisory committee, youll never have to worry about being so invited, OBJECTIVITY is as important a prerequisite as is decent education/ (You have a toofer against you there Quahog).

Therefore, If you've got nothing actually substantive to offer besides shrieking at the folks and scaring the children, why not just find some web site of similar thinking luddites and have an old fashioned book burning. You sound like youd love that. (I can give you a list of heretical "SCIENCE BOOKS" that will meet your needs), That is, dependent upon whenever you normally can get your head out of your ass each day.

Well then , your perspicacity is running a distant second to your self esteem. Most of us here picked you out as an idiot after your first post

I know, but tha is normal. It is just a reflex action without any consciousness.
Actually, these days i call it Autmatic Robot Program Software Reaction
(ARPSR), because that is exactly what it is.

And you are on some science and education board, right?
well , why is your logic so flawed then? or do you just bring them the coffee ?

I mean come on, because some people picked me as an idiot doesn´t make me one now, does it?



I still don´t understand why you are reacting btw.

I hope Ive removed any lingering doubt.

Learn something , then come back.
Bye

gee this one is a real coward.

removed doubt? About what?
So vague.

Learn what?
So vague again!

The only thing you seem to be able is namecalling.

bye.

The way I see this topic Q is that maintaining that evolution is a hoax, and that there is no evidence for the process having taken place, is most unlikely to have any influence on those who think otherwise.

Such an approach will discredit those who seek to reduce the influence of evolutionary thought on the body politic and thus it is self-defeating. It will reinforce the determination of evolutionists to bring forward arguments in favour of their position.

There are not just the two stances on the matter: a hoax with no evidence and science with evidence. Something has taken place in the history of life on the earth and while the simple explanations of evolutionists certainly do have problems in relation to the mechanisms of reproduction, and other matters, they can be easily promoted in a world in which simple explanations are attractive.

The hoax/no evidence stance will have the unfortunate effect of lining up those who accept evolution as a bona fida attempt to further knowledge but think that such knowledge is best confined to specialists who might use it to general advantage.

Most evolutionists are in a similar position because their lives are not ordered according to the severe principles which logically derive from the science they promote. Nor would they wish it to be. In eugenics for instance. In nepotism. In having laws.

In effect, as I see it, the hoax/no evidence stance works out to promote evolutionary ideas.

I have explained why evolution is denied by many people. It is because not doing is considered dangerous and all the more so by those who understand the implications of it. Those who refuse to engage with the social consequences of evolutionary ideas are not in the ring. They are attention seeking gumboils which are nothing but an uncomfortable waste of time.

For 10 years on these sorts of thread I have been stressing the social consequences relating to the issue and evolutionists will not take it on. It scares them witless. They will eagerly jump all over the hoax/no evidence stance as you might have noticed. They are at ease with that. They welcome it with open arms.

You wouldn't know what they are, fm, if they bit you on the arse.

He loves it Q. You're his straight man. That's easy enough to understand.

Yes, I agree with you but up to a point.
I indeed, don´t think ´evolutions´ will change their thinking, that is my experience too.
For different reasons, like ´first dominao´ effect and cognitive dissonance , peer pressure and what have you.
However, there are more people here and some lurking.
Now, in the past, I have found out that the people lurking, where very interested in the debate, but didn´t participate, BUT started thinking about evolution being true or not. And, well, I see that in a favourite light.
About the ´hardcore evolutionist´ here who are sitting on a science board and what have you, will offcourse never say that they change their mind because it will be seen as ´losing face. ´ even if they start to be critical of evolution they won´t say it here. They start to call names