Why do people deny evolution?

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

In dubious battle . . . your remarks presume the existence of a deity, which you have not demonstrated, and assume the existence of "Lucifer" which you have not demonstrated, and assume the existence of "angels" which you have not demonstrated. You assume the reality of "yen[sic]/yang" and "karmic justice," which you have not demonstrated.

In short, and not to carry on with your nonsense too far, you are offering your opinion, based on superstition. And you offer your opinion as though making statements from authority. There is no such authority, and you offer no substantiation for a series of extraordinary claims.

If you obfuscate your own ability to understand these terms and what they refer to, don't push the ignorance you cultivate into the discussion by insisting there is no 'proof' they exist.

'God' and 'angels' are just a way of describing/visualizing the forces that create and structure/discipline the universe. Everything is not randomly borne into existence and arranged. Energy and causation occur in patterns and the evolutionary processes of living organisms are part of that. Everything taken together can be referred to as 'the creation,' and evolution and other patterns of nature are patterns of causation and energy.

If you argue about using the words, 'God,' 'angels,' and 'lucifer,' to talk about 'the creation,' you are just obstructing the discussion to insist on abandoning that language in favor of some other language. Doing so doesn't prove anything doesn't 'exist.' It just changes the terms, just as calling 'spirituality' 'psychology,' 'culture,' etc. changes the terms to refer to the same phenomena in different ways.

The underlying phenomena simply exist, though. They don't need to be 'proven,' because we wouldn't be able to use these terms to refer to them if there wasn't something to refer to, however nebulous.

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I suspect that you don't know what obfuscate means. You are totally incapable of accepting criticism, and you get personally nasty very quickly when you are criticized.

You're peddling a load of superstition bullshit. Get over it--I assure you I have.

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@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

The underlying phenomena simply exist, though.

You haven't demonstrated this. You refer once again to a creation. You haven't demonstrated that the cosmos and it's constituent bodies were created. You're peddling bullshit, and insisting upon it, and then attacking me for criticizing your bullshit. No one is obliged to facilitate your goofy theses, and no one does wrong to point out that you haven't substantiated your claims.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I suspect that you don't know what obfuscate means. You are totally incapable of accepting criticism, and you get personally nasty very quickly when you are criticized.

You're peddling a load of superstition bullshit. Get over it--I assure you I have.

You have construed it in a narrow way in your mind in order to reject it. What I am trying to show you is how it is just a language for describing things that can be described in different ways using different language. I am asking you to drop your bias against theological/religious language and accept that there are intelligent, thinking people, who are able to use such language to have perfectly reasonable thoughts and discussions. It is not just mindless superstition.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

livinglava wrote:
The underlying phenomena simply exist, though.

You haven't demonstrated this. You refer once again to a creation. You haven't demonstrated that the cosmos and it's constituent bodies were created. You're peddling bullshit, and insisting upon it, and then attacking me for criticizing your bullshit. No one is obliged to facilitate your goofy theses, and no one does wrong to point out that you haven't substantiated your claims.

'Creation' is not a term to get upset about. The only way you can argue it is not a suitable term for describing the evolution of forms within the universe is if you radically differentiate conscious/intentional action from unconscious/automatic mechanics.

In short, you have to deconstruct the radical distinction between conscious/intentional humans and unconscious/mechanical matter/energy. In reality, we are made of the same stuff as the rest of the universe. Yes, we are a special configuration of it but an unbiased mind should be able to recognize that we are just a metaphenomenon that occurs due to very complex organized organic biological energy-matter processes.

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@OldGrumpy,

https://www.gotquestions.org/women-silent-church.html

Quote: ‘women should keep silent’
You take one small verse here and there and are yanking them outta context to support your beliefs and desires. (This is what the devil does best if u read the bible ya know) don’t be like that!

......earlier in the same epistle (1 Corinthians 11:5), Paul mentions situations where women are allowed to pray and prophesy in the assembled congregation.
You see? No sexism at all. It is simple about structure.

Just google it.
Always seek another interpretation of things.
Get both sides of the story.
Don’t just pick and choose what u wish to ‘bash.’
Is this not what u criticize those who promote what u call ‘evil-lotion?’

If evillotionists are misinterpreting things and coming to the wrong conclusion....yet u r doing the very same thing....that makes it another kind of evil-lotion does it not?
You promote several different anti-Christ teachings. Much false information u r guilty of. Tread lightly brother. Don’t just preach false teachings.

Blessings.

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@OldGrumpy,

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I for one, don't think the evil-lotion shite is for real, but I am also not into the stupid religions.

You've been very clear about what you're not into, but virtually nothing about what you are into.

So what do you think it's all about, Alfie?

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@Leadfoot,

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You've been very clear about what you're not into, but virtually nothing about what you are into.

So what do you think it's all about, Alfie?

Living! without the mind-control of evil-lotion and religion. It's a blessing! Wink

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@Helloandgoodbye,

You just belive the crap that you want to believe.

That's all.

It is all very weird stuff.

and about the quotes, here ar some more:

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...and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, chaste, domestic, kind, and submissive to their husbands, that the word of God may not be discredited.... Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect ...(Titus 2:4-9)

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No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste ...Revelation 14:3-4

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Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (1 Timothy 6)

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[Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God's approval. 1 Peter 2:18-20/quote]

It's all hate, slave, misery, fascism and sexism.

Just read, it is crystal clear!

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@OldGrumpy,

In other words. Your very own religion. Everyone believes in something. No one knows it all.

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@OldGrumpy,

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Living! without the mind-control of evil-lotion and religion. It's a blessing!

OK, I understand the potential benefits of living without religion, but what is the 'evil' in evolution? What possible difference could it make to you and the way you live your life whether we all evolved from the first living organism, left here by extraterrestrial visitors, or whatever?

IOW, What is the advantage to you of not believing in Evolution?

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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In other words. Your very own religion. Everyone believes in something. No one knows it all.

wow! How mc you are! I have no own religion at all! why should I?
I never said I know it all, but I can live with the uncertainties.
You can't ?!

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@Leadfoot,

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OK, I understand the potential benefits of living without religion, but what is the 'evil' in evolution? What possible difference could it make to you and the way you live your life whether we all evolved from the first living organism, left here by extraterrestrial visitors, or whatever?

IOW, What is the advantage to you of not believing in Evolution?

Duh? It has nothing to do with advantage or disadvantage at all.
It has to do with a lack of evidence.
And I call it evil-lotion just to play with the word.
However, the theory is also used to rationalise evil. that is true, but that is not where I am coming from.

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o wow 'they' are also into masochism!!

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But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39)

and cannibalism is very popular too!

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Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.... (John 6:53-53)

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@OldGrumpy,

Cannibalism?!
Really? This is obviously symbolic, not literal.
Obviously.
Can’t get any more obvious.
And yet, once again you are twisting words to support your Denial of truth:(

https://www.biblestudytools.com/john/6-53.html

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Luckily there are no contradictions in the bible. eh?! Wink

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@Helloandgoodbye,

And this is why Jeremiah wrote ‘only those who seek truth will find it.’
Which oldgrumpy is clearly not doing:(

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@OldGrumpy,

If want to find contradictions....you will. Examples of cannibalism, lol, you will. If you wish to find truth, you will.(no contradictions)

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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Cannibalism?!
Really? This is obviously symbolic, not literal.
Obviously.
Can’t get any more obvious.
And yet, once again you are twisting words to support your Denial of truth:(

Well, 'they'don't have to twist the words at all! You just do it for them.
It seems 'they' get away with anything, eh!?

Don't you see how fucked up the whole bible is?

Here more:

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Matthew 5:29-30 King James Version (KJV)

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

yeahhhh, the bible the book of horrors of horrors!

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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And this is why Jeremiah wrote ‘only those who seek truth will find it.’
Which oldgrumpy is clearly not doing:(

lol,

You found it? lol, I know I know.

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