Why do people deny evolution?

@Helloandgoodbye,

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I find it amazing this cloud shape is THE BEST observable example someone who embraces evolutionism can give of random processes producing ‘information.’

IDK that it's the best one. It's just the first example that came to my mind. There are many others:

A night at the casino creates winners and losers, and if the casino is honest, the causes of their loses and gains are random. Same with any lotery, bingo, card game on earth, large or small.

The way we produce efficient antibodies for a new pathogen by the randomized production of many many "trials", and when a random trial of antibody works on the new threat, it is then mass produced. This particular random system can be a question of life or death.

The chance encounter who will become a life-long spouse.

The fortunes of war.

Etc.

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@Olivier5,

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IDK that it's the best one. It's just the first example that came to my mind.

Have you ever heard of Photoshop, Oh Great Gullible One!?

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@Helloandgoodbye,

what about it? I think the bible is full of sh....

Kill your mother, kill your father, kill your family, kill this kill that!

and how about the numerous inconsistencies?!

Just throw that book away as far as I am concerned, BUT please include ALL the

'scientific' textbooks as well! It's just another religion as well!

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@OldGrumpy,

Nonsense.

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@OldGrumpy,

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BUT please include ALL the

'scientific' textbooks as well! It's just another religion as well!

Without science, you wouldn't be talking to Monterey Jack, or toasting your bread or watching TV or listening to Trump lie or watching live while the US murders innocents or ... .

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@camlok,

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Without science, you wouldn't be talking to Monterey Jack, or toasting your bread or watching TV or listening to Trump lie or watching live while the US murders innocents or ... .

That is very simply not true. You are confusing technology with 'science' and no
the two are NOT intertwined at all! See my other thread on this topic.

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@MontereyJack,

What exactly is nonsense, according to you?

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@OldGrumpy,

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You are confusing technology with 'science' and no
the two are NOT intertwined at all! See my other thread on this topic

o then, your "other thread" is bullshit also eh??

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@farmerman,

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o then, your "other thread" is bullshit also eh??

Well, if you think so, you must be able to show me exactly where it is bullshit.
My guess is that you can't, but you can give it a try, eh?! It is all out in the open,
so have some courage and point it exactly out.

If you don't and can't it is very clear to all to see you are full of bullshit, eh?!

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@OldGrumpy,

I dont need to present anything , youve made the assertion that technology and science have nothing in common.I think you should have the evidence at hand to back that up rather than just speaking empty phrases.

Your entire presence on A2k has been evidence-free. I dont have any direct evidence about where youve derived this tone but you do sound like a failed science student from your school days.

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@farmerman,

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That analogy is specious. It requires a worldview that doesn't allow for the stuff that does not agree with the basic assertion.

. I have never said that either worldviews should not be presented as science. I just think an intelligent design for all information is a scientific assertion that should not be discarded.

Your worldview does not allow for a scientific study of intelligent design. Don't accuse me of your crime .

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@farmerman,

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I dont need to present anything ,

Of course you do! You made a statement but are unable to prove it at all!
And from the looks of it you not even read what I wrote in the other thread.

and then your ad hominems, don't you get tired of it, or is it the best outlet you have?

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@brianjakub,

That is not a scientific assertion. It is not testable, it not falsifiable, it is not replicable. You aren't even willing to define the intelligence responsible for the alleged (and undemonstrated) design.

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@OldGrumpy,

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Of course you do! You made a statement but are unable to prove it at all!
And from the looks of it you not even read what I wrote in the other thread.

I was responding to your initial statement , the forensic responsibility lies with you.
Sorry if you dont understand rules of evidence.

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and then your ad hominems

Again, I only respond to others who open with same. You have to admit though, mine are much better thought out and presented than are
yours.

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@brianjakub,

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Your worldview does not allow for a scientific study of intelligent design

Tell me where to begin in uch a quest. You see, once your worldview presents itself as the final answer, youre basically done, everything HAS got to support ID. WHen it cant, as youve found out so well, you are only left with castigating the scientific method.

methodological Naturlism doesnt negate ID, it merely places all study on an equal plne really.
If ID would present itself as a valid testable, (etc) outcome, all cience would be clamoring to be the first guy who solves the identification of the IDer.

If you dont show any such evidence, at least tell me how e should go about looking for it. All you and Leadfoot have done is to agree that data in support if evolution is valid but nowhere does that agreement imply that it also supports ID.(Youve gotta go several steps beyond agreeing with the findings of science)

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@farmerman,

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WHen it cant, as youve found out so well, you are only left with castigating the scientific method.

Which is exactly what you do, farmer, castigate, abuse, reject the scientific method.

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@camlok,

someone knocking?

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@farmerman,

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mine are much better thought out and presented than are
yours.

yeah.but so terribly wrong...lol

and rules of evidence? Hmm you claim something wrong but you can't even pinpoint it and you stay, as general, very very very vague.

It really is a big flaw of yours.

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Interesting article about why people refer to evolution as 'fact'. (from the journal Sage). It also explains why this OP asks the question in the first place. (If it is 'fact', why do people deny evolution).

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The primary goal of those who advocate for this discourse has always been to counter antievolutionism by associating the term ‘fact’ with evolution, thereby making evolution appear more certain to the public. … [A]dvocates clearly show how the discourse is driven by concerns external to the scientific vernacular and the practice of science, namely a perceived need to make evolution appear more certain to the public.

(Jason Jean and Yixi Lu, “Evolution as a fact? A discourse analysis,” Social Studies of Science, Vol. 48(4) 615-632 (2018))

In employing this rhetoric, Darwin activists also have a secondary goal — it’s to assert their “intellectual authority” and to achieve “denial of…resources,” specifically “intellectual authority and career opportunities,” to Darwin-skeptics. What, you’re not surprised to hear that either? Here’s how the article puts it:

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The discourse encompasses all instances where public scientists (Turner, 1980) describe evolution as a fact. Public scientists are those who engage in the practice of public science, where scientists or anyone claiming to speak for science address an audience in order to achieve their professional goals. These goals, according to Gieryn (1983), are the ‘acquisition of intellectual authority and career opportunities; denial of these resources to “pseudoscientists”; and protection of the autonomy of scientific research from political interference.’ (p. 781)

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@Leadfoot,

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Interesting article about why people refer to evolution as 'fact'. (from the journal Sage). It also explains why this OP asks the question in the first place. (If it is 'fact', why do people deny evolution).

I always wondered why it wasn't called "Why don't people deny evolution?".

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