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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 01:37 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:
I think its ment as a joke herald me old cocker.
     Where is the joke: this guy here (on the previous page) is an evidence that some individuals might have never evolved from the stagnation at stage Ardipithecus kadabba ... and they will need most probably another 5.3 MN years to start understanding, why they should not 'teach science' on the net by waving a guns.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 04:21 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

This is not an evidence of any Evolution. Waving guns on the net may be evidence of a lot of other things, but not for Evolution...


Blah blah blah. Go stochastic something to infinity.
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 05:25 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
Blah blah blah. Go stochastic something to infinity.
     Stochastic is the basic mode of operation of your favourite 'theory' and so is the Infinity - 'basic science' that justifies your favourite 'theory'. I have simply adopted them and used them to remind you that you are trying to impose by coercion a 'theory', which you personally have never understood ... the worst case scenario of teaching.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 06:00 am
@Herald,
Herald theres no doubt evolution is right. Cats n dogs prove it as fact.
FBM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 07:31 am
@Herald,
Herald wrote:

Stochastic is the basic mode of operation of your favourite 'theory' and so is the Infinity - 'basic science' that justifies your favourite 'theory'. I have simply adopted them and used them to remind you that you are trying to impose by coercion a 'theory', which you personally have never understood ... the worst case scenario of teaching.


If you imagine that I have a "favorite" theory, then you haven't even begun to learn yet. I don't have a favorite. I look at what's presented and evaluate them based on the evidence that they provide. It would be very exciting if there were an omnipotent, benevolent god looking out for us, or alien/ILF/g0d-not-god thingies that would teleport our consciousness to eternal bliss. I would love that. But until you show me some evidence that such claims are "plausible," then get the **** out of my face with that science fiction crap, Raelian wingnut.

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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 12:51 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
If you imagine that I have a "favorite" theory, then you haven't even begun to learn yet. I don't have a favorite.
     You are simply a consummate liar. Nobody is without beliefs, even the atheists believe that there is no God and that the Science can explain everything, no matter whether with or without any evidence and justification.
      At Wed 17 Dec. 2014.10:22pm (thread 'ID vs. Casino Universe') you present yourself to represent the opinion of the 12 MN scientists on that planet, by publishing a picture of a test tube with a notice: 'Science Doesn't Care about your Beliefs'. Do you present yourself as speaking on behalf of the 12 MN scientists on that reference, or not? ... and why don't you simply confess that you are a consummate liar and fanatic upholder of the scientism ... and arrogant scientific careerist?
     On some other references you talk about 'standard model' and 'standard physics' (without having any evidence, BTW, that Cosmology has anything to do with any physics).
     Now you claim: 'I don't have a favourite (theory)', which automatically means that somewhere in all that you are simply lying. If you really don't have a theory, why are you continuously asking about, how was that, let me see ... 'alien/ILF/g0d-not-god thingies' ... and what is actually that supposed to mean?
     BTW, there are a lot of clowns on the satellite TV claiming that they are regularly talking to God - why don't you ask them about your 'other missing favourite theory' ... in the capacity of a Buddhist fanatic?
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 12:57 pm
@FBM,
The relativity in the stochastics of a system is god in the event. Stochastics is the co incidents in a system. Example a cricket match. The out come of a cricket match is descided by the relativity in the co incidents factors effecting the match. God is the relativity in the local event. Relativity and nonlocality as seen in spooky action are indistinguishably the same thing and that is god the creator of the action event. Im sure you would agree.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 01:16 pm
@martinies,
martinies wrote:
Herald theres no doubt evolution is right. Cats n dogs prove it as fact.
     Right in what: right in operating on auto-pilot without any control (information), or right in generating truly random events and choosing them (also without control information) as the theory claims.
     Let me ask you something. Do you know how a wound heals: if you have enough collagen the skin is restored to its former glory, if you don't have enough collagen - the wound is repaired by connective tissue (scar), but pay attention always with original collagen or connective tissue. It is never repaired by nervous tissue or bone tissue (which would be the case in a stochastic event). What is more - later on, when the body has enough collagen the connective tissue is gradually replaced by the original skin structure. Just don't start explaining to me that the species that have repaired their skin wounds with bone tissue or cartilage have become extinct as a result of natural selection. This process is too complex and too programmed to be explained by pure random events. BTW how would you distinguish a random event from a deterministic one ... and we are talking here about one of the most elementary manifestations of the intelligence of the human body.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 01:40 pm
@Herald,
A cut is not a random event. The cause of a cut is prescribed by the overall relativity in the co incidents of the event. Example a cut occures due to a fall on a dark night how ever if the moon where out the cut may never have occured. Its the relativity of all factors from atoms to planets that cause an on going co incidents to actualise individual happenings. God is all of the relativity in all of the on going action event. In a spooky action relativity is expressed as a nonexistant distance in an actualised event. It is the unmoving certain thing that causes out comes in the moving uncertain thing.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 02:26 pm
@martinies,
Martinies is right. Says so in the bible!

"The steps of a righteous man are ordered by the Lord".

And boy was I pissed off at that revelation at one point in my life...
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FBM
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 06:37 pm
@Herald,
A favorite anything is something that you're emotionally attached to. I'm not emotionally attached to any of the prevailing, genuinely rational models or theories. I'm pretty sure all of them will be amended or replaced over time as new data are collected. I look forward to it. If you had equivalent evidence and coherent reasoning to back up your invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/god-not-god mish-mash of self-contradictory, denialist, escapist, wingnut work of science fantasy, I'd be on board with that one, too. But you don't. You can't even make the basic logic work out in your claim and have nothing but red herrings and other fallacies to offer when pressed for evidence that your claim is "plausible." Denialism is a child's game, intellectually, but spreading it through society is dangerous. Do better.

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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 09:34 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
I'm not emotionally attached to any of the prevailing, genuinely rational models or theories.
     You are emotionally attached to experience yourself as a great shrink on the net, but actually you are simple retarded careerist, arrogant upholder of scientism, living in your imaginary world that you are doing something good by supporting obvious lies of the status quo, and trying to impose on me some feeling of guilt by repeating your own imaginary absolutely detached from the reality strawman of the aliens to infinity ... unless your affinity and personal preferences to torture people is your natural standing of the mind, by birth.
     If you were not so much detached from the reality you should have noticed that this thread here is not about your personal problems with the aliens. ... and that it doesn't matter whether you are experiencing yourself as a great shrink on the net or not - and whether in the real life on the grounds of forgery of documents and misinterpretation of case you are not really a shrink - you are simply totally deranged with your mania to expert psychic pressure and impose feeling of guilt to some people that you don't like by your own super-personal reasons. To me you are absolute wretch and are ridiculing yourself to infinity on the net.
Herald
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2015 11:31 pm
@martinies,
martinies wrote:
... by the overall relativity in the co incidents of the event.
     ... and who/what is driving that relativity of yours? BTW, I was not talking about the event of cutting a finger, but about the intelligence of our body to heal the wound. No, non-living matter has the ability to auto-repair and the living matter is auto-repairing on a purely deterministic procedure. This has nothing to do with any relativity (whatever your definition of that might be).
martinies
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 12:02 am
@Herald,
Well the initial relativity in the big bang is the driving force and wether things are living or dead the relativity in electro chemicals is the cause of biological change. Healing is change and relativity causes change.
martinies
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 12:26 am
@martinies,
An event is relativity in action wether it be the healing of scar tissue or a planet moving round a sun.. And the relativity is stationary to the action event. In spooky action the relativity is a pseudo distance.
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Herald
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 12:37 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:
Well the initial relativity in the big bang is the driving force and wether things are living or dead the relativity in electro chemicals is the cause of biological change.
     What initial relativity in the Big Bang 'theory', and which one - the General or the Special? If you are speaking about General Relativity (A.E.) this is a geometric theory of gravitation - how exactly you have geometry (curved plane), and gravitation force (without a force carrier) ... one Plank Time before the Big Bang, when the Time has not been launched yet and without the Time nothing could have existed?
     Most of the laws of physics show that the Universe has always existed. If you want to develop a brand new cosmology and use it to support the forgeries of the Evolution theory, you will have to postulate that it has nothing to do with any physics and/or math logic, for otherwise you will never get out of the deep **** of contradictions with the other sciences.
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 07:11 am
@Herald,
From red herring to ad homs. Misdirection misfire again. How is this "plausible," Herod?

Herald wrote:

... my personal are God or some meta-intelligence (string theory) or s.th.; 30% another ILF, sending the designs on the Earth even through some form of teleportation or another form of encoded communication (it might have extinct already by the time the information has came here), and perhaps 25% of the Big Bang and the theory that we are made out of star dust (whatever this might mean) and fused with the time by the Dark Energy and Dark Matter....


What reasonably well educated and rational person wouldn't look at this and conclude that it comes from a mind that is deeply rooted in science illiteracy, denialism and escapist fantasy?

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martinies
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2015 09:33 am
@Herald,
In my opinion nonlocality caused the big bang and the relativity we see in the local event universe now is nonlocality at work. Example hydrogen as a local element has one electron in relativity to its nucleus its nonlocal relativity that is making the the local hydrogen bond which then relates in turn to the on going event.
martinies
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2015 12:31 am
@martinies,
If some one where to say to me what is nonlocality then. I would say it nonocality can be seen as the relativity in the event from the smallest parts of an atom to the relativity between galaxies. Non locality caused the universe to exist and still causes the universe to exist. Human understanding is relativity in action as conciousness.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 27 Aug, 2015 04:28 pm
It's just a theory, but:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/creationism-because-its-easier-to-read-one-book.jpg
 

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