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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
parados
 
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Sun 29 Mar, 2015 01:50 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
I wonder if you believe you were born to your parents Q. After all, you didn't see your parents conceive you or your mother give birth to you. It must be a strange existence knowing that nothing is real outside your own experience.
FBM
 
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Sun 29 Mar, 2015 06:05 pm
@Anti-Trust,
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 04:17 am
@parados,
Quote:
I wonder if you believe you were born to your parents Q. After all, you didn't see your parents conceive you or your mother give birth to you. It must be a strange existence knowing that nothing is real outside your own experience.


Duh? Meaning??
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 05:18 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Yes, again. And again. And again. And again, until you finally manage to process the fact that it IS evidence of transitional fossils and finally get it thru your head exactly what a transitional fossil IS, rather than your "half an eye" utterly absurd idea of what yyou
THINK a tansitional fossil should be. Not that by now we have much hpe that you ever will.
FBM
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 05:32 am
The vast majority of fossils are of individuals of a species that was in transition. The only exceptions I can think of are the ones that were fossilized just prior to the extinction of the species or those rare examples of a species that fit so well and unchallenged in their niche that no adaptation was taking place. Every hominid fossil, for example, is a transitional fossil. There are too many to count, if you think about it.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 03:10 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
The vast majority of fossils are of individuals of a species that was in transition.


PROVE IT!!!! YOU ARE ASSUMING AND ~USING ONLY CIRCULAR REASONING!!!!

ALL THE TIME BTW
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 03:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Yes, again. And again. And again. And again, until you finally manage to process the fact that it IS evidence of transitional fossils and finally get it thru your head exactly what a transitional fossil IS, rather than your "half an eye" utterly absurd idea of what yyou
THINK a tansitional fossil should be. Not that by now we have much hpe that you ever will.


Ok I see, still NO EVIDENCE THEN EH?
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 03:17 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Of course evidence ,you maroon. Look at .all the photographic evidence posted above.
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 03:20 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Of course evidence ,you maroon. Look at .all the photographic evidence posted above. You wanted photos you got photos tho the evidence that youactually can understand them is pretty slim.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 03:43 pm
you folks are presenting facts to Quahog the clam. He is unable to understand and is unwilling to learn.

He thinks hes a fuckin genius. Why not just let him continue in his simpleass dreamworld.
hingehead
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2015 05:24 pm
Actually I don't believe evolution has occured either. In Q's case.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 01:18 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Of course evidence ,you maroon. Look at .all the photographic evidence posted above


duh?? Don't you see it is all in the Mind's EYE!



Really the Emperor has no Clothes!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 01:20 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
you folks are presenting facts to Quahog the clam. He is unable to understand and is ]unwilling to learn.

He thinks hes a fuckin genius. Why not just let him continue in his simpleass dreamworld.


And there we have the Ad Hominims ( 5 !!!! now, He must be getting desperate! ) again and again without a shred of evidence!

No, I am not thinking I am a genius, I think the people who BELIEVE the
religion of evolution do though!

and no, of course those photos are NO PROOF

UNLESS

You already believe the BULLSHITE!



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gungasnake
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 02:48 am
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Why do people deny evolution?


Mainly because it's a bunch of bullshit.

A proof or disproof is a kind of a transaction. There is no such thing as absolutely proving or disproving something; there is only such a thing as proving or disproving something to SOMEBODY'S satisfaction. If the party of the second part is too thick or too ideologically committed to some other way of viewing reality, then the best proof in the world will fall flat and fail.

In the case of evolution, what you have is a theory which has been repeatedly and overwhelmingly disproved over a period of many decades now via a number of independent lines reasoning and yet the adherents go on with it as if nothing had happened and, in fact, demand that the doctrine be taught in public schools at public expense and that no other theory of origins even ever be mentioned in public schools, and attempt to enforce all of that via political power plays and lawsuits.

At that point, it is clear enough that no disproof or combination of disproofs would ever suffice, that the doctrine is in fact unfalsifiable and that Carl popper's criteria for a pseudoscience is in fact met.


Once again for anybody who may have missed this earlier:



The educated lay person is not aware of how overwhelmingly evolution has been debunked over the last century.

The following is a minimal list of entire categories of evidence disproving evolution:

The decades-long experiments with fruit flies beginning in the early 1900s. Those tests were intended to demonstrate macroevolution; the failure of those tests was so unambiguous that a number of prominent scientists disavowed evolution at the time.

The discovery of the DNA/RNA info codes (information codes do not just sort of happen...)

The fact that the info code explained the failure of the fruit-fly experiments (the whole thing is driven by information and the only info there ever was in that picture was the info for a fruit fly...)

The discovery of bio-electrical machinery within 1-celled animals.

The question of irreducible complexity.

The Haldane Dilemma. That is, the gigantic spaces of time it would take to spread any genetic change through an entire herd of animals.

The increasingly massive evidence of a recent age for dinosaurs. This includes soft tissue being found in dinosaur remains, good radiocarbon dates for dinosaur remains (blind tests at the University of Georgia's dating lab), and native American petroglyphs clearly showing known dinosaur types.

The fact that the Haldane dilemma and the recent findings related to dinosaurs amount to a sort of a time sandwich (evolutionites need quadrillions of years and only have a few tens of thousands).

The dna analysis eliminating neanderthals and thus all other hominids as plausible human ancestors.

The total lack of intermediate fossils where the theory demands that the bulk of all fossils be clear intermediate types. "Punctuated Equilibria" in fact amounts to an attempt to get around both the Haldane dilemma and the lack of intermediate fossils, but has an entirely new set of overwhelming problems of its own...

The question of genetic entropy.

The obvious evidence of design in nature.

The arguments arising from pure probability and combinatoric considerations.


Here's what I mean when I use the term "combinatoric considerations"...

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, the specialized system which allows flight feathers to pivot so as to open on upstrokes and close to trap air on downstrokes (like a venetian blind), a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through design heart and lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening, best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. In real life, it's even worse than that. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events.

I ask you: What could be stupider than that?


Fruit flies breed new generations every few days. Running a continuous decades-long experiment on fruit flies will involve more generations of fruit flies than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on Earth. Evolution is supposed to be driven by random mutation and natural selection; they subjected those flies to everything in the world known to cause mutations and recombined the mutants every possible way, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

Richard Goldschmidt wrote the results of all of that up in 1940, noting that it was then obvious enough that no combination of mutation and selection could ever produce a new kind of animal. There is no excuse for evolution to ever have been taught in schools after 1940.

gungasnake
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 02:51 am
Typical evolutionites:

http://www.oshonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/idiots-2.jpg
Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 03:09 am
@gungasnake,
Very good! Thank you!
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gungasnake
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 03:29 am
Evoloser on the job...

http://m.cdn.blog.hu/la/lazarbibi/image/engineering-safety-fails-4.jpg
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raprap
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 04:19 am
@gungasnake,
GanjaSnaKKKe when are you going to get some new arguments that haven't been totally discredited? The way you repeat the same old false claims over and over , I figure you must be a Stalinist hoping that if you repeat the same lies eventually they'll become true.

And then I remember how Stalin's politically driven Lamarkism under Lysenco ruined Russian agriculture.

Rap
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raprap
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 04:22 am
@gungasnake,
Family picture GanjaSnaKKe?

Rap
Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 31 Mar, 2015 04:53 am
@raprap,
and when do you show us some evidence?

You can't because there is NONE.
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