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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Rickoshay75
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 03:28 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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The Alpbach Meeting

A follow-up meeting was held in 1969 at Alpbach, but it only resulted in fruitless discussions in defense of evolution, angry words by some, desperation by others desiring some kind of "evolutionary" solution that scientists could ably defend, and additional presentations of evidence that evolutionary theory was unscientific. Although it was an important meeting, little space was given to it in the public press.


It's not all that complicated. Simply put, one either believes that we were created by an arrogant, all-powerful God or we have always been here in ever changing forms
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 03:37 pm
@Rickoshay75,
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It's not all that complicated. Simply put, one either believes that we were created by an arrogant, all-powerful God or we have always been here in ever changing forms


Nope!

Evolution as a concept is a dogs-dinner that is only discussed publicly in terms of the binary, science versus religion. This suits the evolutionist in that its actual scientific value is never discussed publicly. There has never, for example, been a UK TV program that critically examines only the scientific aspects of evolution.

It's the conflict with religion that takes everyone's eye off the ball and paradoxically it's religion that keeps evolution alive. There are many who are not enamoured by religion these days, often with valid reasons. They are easily persuaded by the opposition offered by the biologists phoney war. Evolutionary biology finds itself with supporters who often know nothing about science, responding as if it were a religion.
neologist
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 06:04 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:
.. . and paradoxically it's religion that keeps evolution alive. . .
Heh.
Many are loathe to accept the idea of a creator to whom we might have an obligation.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 06:42 pm
@neologist,
Evolution, is being destroyed by science, as evolutionary theory, gives no way for billions of genes to develop, that are needed to control and replicate life. Evolution, is part of life, and thus could not have created it. The concept, is beyond silly.
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FBM
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 06:43 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Quehoniaomath wrote:
.. . and paradoxically it's religion that keeps evolution alive. . .
Heh.
Many are loathe to accept the idea of a creator to whom we might have an obligation.


Many careful, critical thinkers are loathe to accept any grandiose claim without supporting evidence. If there turned out to be such a creator being, I'd be first in line to show my undying gratitude and fulfil my obligations to it. But first things first. We need to establish that such a being actually exists. And for that we need evidence.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 06:47 pm
@FBM,
The evidence, is the computer like code that exist in your DNA. There is no way that this code was written by a pond, it was written, or created by an engineer of life...........................
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 10:35 pm
@DNA Thumbs drive,
"Engineer of life" is and always will be 'evolution.' It's a natural occurance under the environment.

How and when was your engineer created? Who created him/her/it?
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FBM
 
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Thu 25 Dec, 2014 10:40 pm
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1004884

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Epistatic Adaptive Evolution of Human Color Vision
Shozo Yokoyama, Jinyi Xing, Yang Liu, Davide Faggionato, Ahmet Altun, William T. Starmer

Published: December 18, 2014DOI: 10.1371/journal.pgen.1004884

Abstract


Establishing genotype-phenotype relationship is the key to understand the molecular mechanism of phenotypic adaptation. This initial step may be untangled by analyzing appropriate ancestral molecules, but it is a daunting task to recapitulate the evolution of non-additive (epistatic) interactions of amino acids and function of a protein separately. To adapt to the ultraviolet (UV)-free retinal environment, the short wavelength-sensitive (SWS1) visual pigment in human (human S1) switched from detecting UV to absorbing blue light during the last 90 million years. Mutagenesis experiments of the UV-sensitive pigment in the Boreoeutherian ancestor show that the blue-sensitivity was achieved by seven mutations. The experimental and quantum chemical analyses show that 4,008 of all 5,040 possible evolutionary trajectories are terminated prematurely by containing a dehydrated nonfunctional pigment. Phylogenetic analysis further suggests that human ancestors achieved the blue-sensitivity gradually and almost exclusively by epistasis. When the final stage of spectral tuning of human S1 was underway 45–30 million years ago, the middle and long wavelength-sensitive (MWS/LWS) pigments appeared and so-called trichromatic color vision was established by interprotein epistasis. The adaptive evolution of human S1 differs dramatically from orthologous pigments with a major mutational effect used in achieving blue-sensitivity in a fish and several mammalian species and in regaining UV vision in birds. These observations imply that the mechanisms of epistatic interactions must be understood by studying various orthologues in different species that have adapted to various ecological and physiological environments.

Author Summary

Mapping the genotype-phenotype relationship is necessary to understand how variable phenotypes have evolved in nature. The blue-sensitive visual pigment in human (human S1) evolved from the UV-sensitive pigment in the Boreoeutherian (or Boreotherian) ancestor (AncBoreotheria S1) by seven mutations. Mutagenesis experiments reveal that 4,008 (~80%) of all 5,040 possible evolutionary trajectories connecting from AncBoreotheria S1 to human S1 are terminated prematurely. Quantum chemical analyses suggest that the premature termination of trajectories was caused by containing a dehydrated nonfunctional pigment. Phylogenetic analysis further suggests that the blue-sensitivity was achieved only gradually and almost exclusively by the seven non-additively interacting amino acids. During the period between 45 and 30 My ago, human S1 was in the final stage of developing its blue-sensitivity. This was the time when two red-sensitive pigments appeared by gene duplication and one of them became green-sensitive. Trichromatic color vision in the human lineage was fully developed by 30 My ago by interprotein epistasis among the three visual pigments. Manipulation of the genetically engineered ancestral molecule is the key to recapitulate the evolution of phenotypic adaptation and that of epistatic interaction separately.

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Or "goddidit." Laughing
Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 02:23 am
@FBM,
Still trying to 'prove' that the Emperor has clothes?
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:07 am
@FBM,
Again, a three year old could copy and paste
farmerman
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:18 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Its not the act of pasting. Its understanding the content. Something in which Thumbsy and Quahog fall short.
Any idiot can be a science denier, it requires no knowledge at all.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:28 am
@farmerman,
Can you explain the science, by where hundreds of thousands of lines of DNA code, form at random, by chance in a warm pond.

Yawning loudly
farmerman
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:35 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Actually I cannot, but what is that to the origin of life? Are you saying that DNA had to precede life itself? If that's the case, what organs or organelles will carry out the "instructions" of your code??

A majority of evolutionary scientists feel that the "Replication code carrying ribonucleic acids'' are mere "bar codes" of what has already happened.

Theres a distinct difference between your "understanding" and much of science.

I imagine that youre involved with computers as a career, and not any analytical science.

The reason youre yawning a lot is that you breathe through your mouth and don't xpel CO2 efficiently
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:42 am
@farmerman,
Just as a computer cpu, is not needed without the rest of the computer, a computer creator builds all the parts to fit together at assembly time.

This is exactly what the creator did, I might add, that he clearly included evolution into his new operating system, in order to keep the program functional and competitive, in new environments. Thus evolution, is part of the DNA code....................

This will all be understood in time.
farmerman
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:44 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Can you explain how two sequential chromosomes of a chimpanzee get fused (along with telomeres , centromeres and exons) into a single human chromosome n that all genes on these chromosomes show separate and distinct "historical" mutation patterns unique only to each separate species ?

Strongly suggests ordinary adaptive evolution and no constructive "interference+ from gods, IDs
aliens or wizards.
farmerman
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:46 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
oh, so you are saying that the hole shebang was imported in from the factory eh?
ounds like Southern Baptist Theology
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:46 am
@farmerman,
Can you explain, how a Ferrari F-50 and a Toyota Prius, both have pushrods?
farmerman
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:50 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
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This will all be understood in time.
So you and Frank are peddling the "invisible unicorn" bullshit eh?

Good luck, but prdon if I say that your thinking is just shy of any understanding.

DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:58 am
@farmerman,
You are the one who can not understand evolution. God created DNA in some or various forms, to populate this planet, perhaps, so he could come back here and have something to eat, at a later date. No one knows, however, if we take a simple organism to Mars, where it would surely develop, given enough time, into something as intelligent as you, this is how evolution works. Clearly God did not drop humans onto an uninhabited rock, he left his greatest gift, the DNA that became both us, and all other animals, those both similar, and those that are different.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 26 Dec, 2014 08:59 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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This will all be understood in time.
So you and Frank are peddling the "invisible unicorn" bullshit eh?


I don't peddle nonsense, like you do, FM. And the "unicorn" crap in this forum comes almost exclusively from atheists...who seem to be obsessed with them.

Quote:

Good luck, but prdon if I say that your thinking is just shy of any understanding.


Like you are just filled with "understanding" right!!!

Yeah, sure.




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