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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:05 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Dont get me wrong I also listen to the Beach Boys and Greenday...the only thing I dont listen to is hip hop or that rap crap.
There is a misconception that a maduro wrapper makes the stick more harsh. May I suggest a CAO Brazillia? Its a maduro but you may find it more to your liking.
And a premium vodka should never make you choke. Have you tried K-ONE or Stoli?


I'm an ex-bartender who knew over 200 New York City bartenders by their first name...and they would greet me as Frank. They all knew my regular...Johnny Black on the rocks with a twist and a splash. (I was director of instruction at the largest bartender school in the world in NYC, so grads from the school were all over the city.)

So...I've tried every brand on the back bar.

But I have Barrett's esophagus...and alcohol neat will sear my throat. The OJ (or quinine water) is necessary.

For me...the Connecticut wrapper has been a blessing.


spendius
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:13 pm
@spendius,
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If research involved a niche for the supernatural, where would we go with anything called science??


And another thing fm--science made its greatest strides when the Divine we worship was in full flower. And, as you know, I think there is a connection which is not possible otherwise. Which is why no other culture discovered what ours did. Faustian mathematics. **** all to do with fossils and rock formation which are closer to hobbies than science.
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giujohn
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah, my twin has Barrets.
I bow to the expert mixologist.
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parados
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:16 pm
@Quehoniaomath,

You said it was a circular argument. Assumptions at the beginning don't make anything a circular argument. It is only a circular argument when the conclusion is used to prove the assumption. Since you can't show me that has occurred it isn't a circular argument.
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parados
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:18 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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Nonbelief is belief according to you.


where did I wrote that then???

Did you not say that atheism is religion? Is that your new argument? You don't mean what you say?
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farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:23 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
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What I mean is that a lot is assumed at the beginning and deviations aren't allowed. I told you it is a religion
sounds like tough talk from an ignoramus . The USSC has stated that ID and Creationism are RELIGIOUS and therefore not to be included in science curricula according to the "establishment clause"

The argument about atheism being a religion is irrelevant because no one is trying to impose it in a science class. It was seeking equal protection under the "Free expression clause of Amendment I"Is that too hard for your mini mind to absorb?

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What I mean is that a lot is assumed at the beginning and deviations aren't allowed. I told you it is a religion.
The fossil record is a religion? That's a stretch. Who is it we are worshipping ?
It seems pretty strit forward vidence of time deposition of transitionl forms of animls and plnts from early forms to more derived forms.

As I asked you and you continue to DUCK, why don't we see elephant fosils in the Cambrian sediments an why don't we see any dinosaur fossils in the Holocene sediments?

Why don't we see human fossils with dinosaurs or trilobites?

Is there evidence of life on land before it appeared in the seas?

Why do birds follow dinosaurs nd not the other way around.

How do we know the earth is 4.5+ billion years old?







farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:26 pm
@spendius,
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What about me? I feel neglected and forlorn. Is there a reason you are not hot on my tail? Do my posts not provide a platform for your bullshit as good as Q does?
Have N EXTRY SMOOTH ON THE HOUSE. Youll live without attention for a few hours. Maybe youll get lucky tonite .

Shouldn't you be in bed by now? Im sure Quahog gets her beauty sleep.
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spendius
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 03:28 pm
@farmerman,
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The fossil record is a religion? That's a stretch. Who is it we are worshipping ?


Yourselves of course. On Veblen's principle that the more you spend on junk the bigger the deal you are. Especially if it is your own dough.

Tricking out of others with various well known techniques is not so big a deal.
farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 04:15 pm
@spendius,
Im glad that you're just a harmless drunk, Imagine if you had responsibilities.
spendius
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 04:53 pm
@farmerman,
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Im glad that you're just a harmless drunk, Imagine if you had responsibilities.


It does not bear thinking about.

Have you heard the latest fm? Black holes are a hoax.

I have always thought they were an off colour joke. Infinite density from which nothing can escape.
Wilso
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 05:28 pm
Atheism is a religion in the way that abstinence is a sexual positon.
giujohn
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 05:48 pm
@Wilso,
Good one
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 9 Jun, 2014 07:20 pm
Atheism may not be a religion but some folks practice it as if it were.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 12:11 am
@spendius,


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Have you heard the latest fm? Black holes are a hoax.


They indeed are!

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Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 12:13 am
I will put it here as well



So, Now it is clear, evolutions are extremely biased to a certain worldview from the beginning, there is no macro-evolution,even according to 'important' evolutionists, it is now clear that evolution is a religion all by itself, the evolutionhoax was founded by the "Lunar Society" of who the members even didn't believ this nonsense themselves.
It is a dangerous religion, because racism and eugenics can start from that religion. and that macro evolution is a mathematical impossibility.(see below)
Furthermore, evolutionreligion is not observable (takes too long) , not repeatable, etc. Hence it is no science.

Well, we have to be real, evolution isn't anything anymore, it never was of course.

It has to go, bye bye.

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The Mathematical Impossibility of Evolution

According to the most-widely accepted theory of evolution today, the sole mechanism for producing evolution is that of random mutation combined with natural selection. Mutations are random changes in genetic systems. Natural selection is considered by evolutionists to be a sort of sieve, which retains the "good" mutations and allows the others to pass away.

Since random changes in ordered systems almost always will decrease the amount of order in those systems, nearly all mutations are harmful to the organisms which experience them. Nevertheless, the evolutionist insists that each complex organism in the world today has arisen by a long string of gradually accumulated good mutations preserved by natural selection. No one has ever actually observed a genuine mutation occurring in the natural environment which was beneficial (that is, adding useful genetic information to an existing genetic code), and therefore, retained by the selection process. For some reason, however, the idea has a certain persuasive quality about it and seems eminently reasonable to many people—until it is examined quantitatively, that is!

For example, consider a very simple putative organism composed of only 200 integrated and functioning parts, and the problem of deriving that organism by this type of process. The system presumably must have started with only one part and then gradually built itself up over many generations into its 200-part organization. The developing organism, at each successive stage, must itself be integrated and functioning in its environment in order to survive until the next stage. Each successive stage, of course, becomes statistically less likely than the preceding one, since it is far easier for a complex system to break down than to build itself up. A four-component integrated system can more easily "mutate" (that is, somehow suddenly change) into a three-component system (or even a four-component non-functioning system) than into a five-component integrated system. If, at any step in the chain, the system mutates "downward," then it is either destroyed altogether or else moves backward, in an evolutionary sense.

Therefore, the successful production of a 200-component functioning organism requires, at least, 200 successive, successful such "mutations," each of which is highly unlikely. Even evolutionists recognize that true mutations are very rare, and beneficial mutations are extremely rare—not more than one out of a thousand mutations are beneficial, at the very most.

But let us give the evolutionist the benefit of every consideration. Assume that, at each mutational step, there is equally as much chance for it to be good as bad. Thus, the probability for the success of each mutation is assumed to be one out of two, or one-half. Elementary statistical theory shows that the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." ]In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts."

The evolutionist might react by saying that even though any one such mutating organism might not be successful, surely some around the world would be, especially in the 10 billion years (or 1018 seconds) of assumed earth history. Therefore, let us imagine that every one of the earth's 1014 square feet of surface harbors a billion (i.e., 109) mutating systems and that each mutation requires one-half second (actually it would take far more time than this). Each system can thus go through its 200 mutations in 100 seconds and then, if it is unsuccessful, start over for a new try. In 1018 seconds, there can, therefore, be 1018/102, or 1016, trials by each mutating system. Multiplying all these numbers together, there would be a total possible number of attempts to develop a 200-component system equal to 1014 (109) (1016), or 1039 attempts. Since the probability against the success of any one of them is 1060, it is obvious that the probability that just one of these 1039 attempts might be successful is only one out of 1060/1039, or 1021.

All this means that the chance that any kind of a 200-component integrated functioning organism could be developed by mutation and natural selection just once, anywhere in the world, in all the assumed expanse of geologic time, [b]is less than one chance out of a billion trillion[/b]. What possible conclusion, therefore, can we derive from such considerations as this except that evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!


Let me repeat that so it will sink in

evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!





evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!




evolution by mutation and natural selection is mathematically and logically indefensible!
farmerman
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:50 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Th moron posts equally moronic clips. My My. The theory has been objectively tested and argued about for 150 years. Its valid, its evidence based, its falsifiable.


Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:55 am
@farmerman,
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Th moron posts equally moronic clips. My My. The theory has been objectively tested and argued about for 150 years. Its valid, its evidence based, its falsifiable.


I think you are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaalyyyy confused now!

TO FARMERMAN

(btw one more Ad Hominims and I will inform the moderators!! I don't do this easily, but
you have to stop from now on with your Ad Hominems!!!!
you have been warned!!)
farmerman
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:57 am
@Quehoniaomath,
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the successful production of a 200-component functioning organism requires, at least, 200 successive, successful such "mutations," each of which is highly unlikely.
Sounds like a minor tweak of the "Haldane dilemma" with a bogus expansion.
Remember doofus, many SNPs control multiple traits and all these "necessary mutations" your article posts DO NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN ASIMULTANEOUSLY.

You claim youre nit a fundamentalist yet you post of evolution theory as "Satanic" nd you post crap from AIG.

Quack Quack
Quehoniaomath
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 02:59 am
@farmerman,
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You claim youre nit a fundamentalist yet you post of evolution theory as "Satanic" nd you post crap from AIG.

Quack Quack


You really don't even try to understand!
I am not saying they are satanic because they oppose to religion of whatever.
It really is the 'religion' those people believe in.
Not by any fault of mine.

btw your 'crtique' on the math missed the point!



what else is new??
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farmerman
 
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Tue 10 Jun, 2014 03:00 am
@Wilso,
Unfortunately, according to the USSC. Atheism is protected by the US Constitution as if it were a religion. BFD. Its a dodge on a claim that quahog is saying hes not a Fundy and hes a lying sack of ****.
 

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