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Why are we in Iraq?

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2004 09:00 am
Deadly Week Ends in Tears for the Fallen

By MONICA DAVEY

Published: April 15, 2004

BROOKFIELD, Wis., April 14 — In a small town near Dallas, people lined the streets and waved flags for a funeral procession for Sgt. Gerardo Moreno of the Army. In Bradenton, Fla., Bach and Brahms were played in honor of Pfc. Christopher R. Cobb of the Marines, who had played the violin in high school. In Memphis, friends and family met for a viewing of Capt. Brent Morel of the Marines, whose relatives say he died fulfilling a mission he believed was worthwhile.
And here in the Milwaukee suburbs, family, friends and even strangers grieved over the death of Specialist Michelle M. Witmer, and some expressed anger at the prolonged sacrifice that had been demanded of her National Guard unit.
"At this point, I want to just go over and bring her home myself," an anguished Marie Galonski said of her own daughter, Specialist Juliana Bruening, who is in Specialist Witmer's unit and trained alongside her. "They said Juliana would be home in a year, and every time you turn around, it's another delay. Now I'm terrified and angry. The way I'm looking at this, this should have never happened to Michelle."
Although President Bush declared major combat over almost a year ago, last week was the deadliest yet for Americans in uniform. The Department of Defense identified 64 service members who died in the week that ended on Saturday. Until then, the highest toll had come many months ago, not long after the start of the war last March, in a week when 50 Americans died.
The dead came from cities and small towns across the continental United States, as well as from Puerto Rico and the Mariana Islands. They came from all the major service branches — the Air Force, Navy, Army, Marines, as well as the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve.
They were as young as 18, as old as 45. At least two were women.
And this week their remains were returned home.
The death of Specialist Witmer, who was killed when her Humvee was attacked in Baghdad, attracted considerable attention after her father, John, urged his other daughters, who are also serving in the Guard in Iraq, to stay home after the funeral instead of returning to the units that they consider their other families. The sisters have not said what they will do.
But in the crowd that filled the church here Wednesday night to honor Specialist Witmer, relatives of other Wisconsin National Guard members were torn by the question. The death of Specialist Witmer, 20, brought the mounting dangers on the streets of Baghdad into clear focus for these military families of the 32nd Military Police Company. And then came the news that their own soldiers — Specialist Witmer's colleagues — would have to stay in Iraq even longer than planned, their tours extended by as much as four months.
Some families of the 32nd said they would accept the delay, just as they had the war. Others, though, were weighing whether to fight it. Some signed petitions. Others announced a rally to oppose it. And on a Web site for the unit's families, worries came tumbling forth. "It's been over a year, and she needs to be home," one man wrote of his soldier. "She is tired and can only handle so much. She is losing hope, and I need her too."
As chilling scenes of deadly skirmishes and hostage-taking played out in Iraq, funerals, one after the next, began filling long days in places like this. In different corners of the country, as the total American death toll climbed above 670, the eulogies, the salutes, the coffins came faster than ever.
Friends here said Michelle Witmer and her two sisters had joined the Guard to help pay for college. Michelle Witmer signed on in January of 2002. From Iraq, she sent home long dispatches describing the violence she had seen, the time she came close to vomiting at the sight of a bloodied Iraqi, the chaos at the Baghdad police station where she worked, the crazed traffic and maniacal driving, and the children.
"The children literally swarm you," she wrote. "Smiling little toddlers wave and cry after us saying, `Misses, misses . . . please water, please food.' These children usually wander around in filthy clothes and no shoes. Some of them can't be more than 4 years old. It breaks my heart not to be able to give them anything."

I read this stories with tears in my eyes and an ache in my heart and ask why? Why are we in Iraq? What is the justification? Why have the lives and futures of these Americans been cut short? Reviewing all the pap emanating from the administration propaganda mill I see no justification. Do you?
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John Webb
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2004 12:39 pm
"I read this stories with tears in my eyes and an ache in my heart and ask why? Why are we in Iraq? What is the justification? Why have the lives and futures of these Americans been cut short? Reviewing all the pap emanating from the administration propaganda mill I see no justification. Do you?"

Only the one which has existed since George's buddies in the S.C. made him President - 20% of the world's oil reserves! Rolling Eyes
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unknown man
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2004 06:48 pm
The official reason is to install democracy, fight terroism, and free the oppressed people.

We all ready know that thats bull ****.

Oil is most likely the answer, but maybe he wanted some military presence in the Islamic region? I don't know, it was just some thought that popped into my head.
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maddad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Apr, 2004 11:48 pm
Well,

Maybe all of you are just conspiracy junkies. Have you ever thought of that? Have you considered that maybe bush wanted to rid the world of a sick bastard? Bush did the people of Iraq a huge favor. No one else has the balls to do what Bush did. It sucks that so many soldiers have to die to get the job done. But that is the price of freedom. If we don't rid the world of fanatical freaks who will? when all the fanatics that already live in the U.S.A rise up one day and start jihad right here in our back yard what are all the anti-war freaks going to do then? Mad Question Question Question Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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Jim
 
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Reply Tue 27 Apr, 2004 11:58 pm
Maddad - I agree that "ridding the world of a sick bastard" was a good thing to do. I just do not have any confidence we will be successful in leaving anything better in Iraq behind when we leave.

It took the British three years and tens of thousands of caualties to capture what is today Iraq in the First World War. By the time they departed, they left Iraq with a stable government and basic human rights. It didn't take too long for the country to degrade back into 12th century despotism after the Brits left.

This time, I'm not too sure if we will be able to leave Iraq in as good of political shape as the Brits did after WWI. But whatever shape we leave Iraq in, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't degrade back into 12th century despotism again soon thereafter.

I've posted before the concept "people get the type of government they deserve". I'm afraid Iraq is the epitome of this.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2004 07:43 am
Quote:
Have you ever thought that maybe Bush just wanted to rid the world of a sick bastard?

So why didn't he just put a gun to his forehead and do the rest of the world a favour (after first shooting his secretive male lover "Dickie," of course)? Wink
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emclean
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:29 am
what is the answer? do ignore the world, try to install democracy where ever it isn't? there is a lot of complant, but no ideas of what to do.
me i say stay the corse, i do not like the way we went into Iraq, but we are there now, and need to do our best to alow a democracy to start.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2004 11:56 am
maddad wrote:
Well,

Maybe all of you are just conspiracy junkies. Have you ever thought of that? Have you considered that maybe bush wanted to rid the world of a sick bastard? Bush did the people of Iraq a huge favor. No one else has the balls to do what Bush did. It sucks that so many soldiers have to die to get the job done. But that is the price of freedom. If we don't rid the world of fanatical freaks who will? when all the fanatics that already live in the U.S.A rise up one day and start jihad right here in our back yard what are all the anti-war freaks going to do then? Mad Question Question Question Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


Nice opening salvo, mad.

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"No one else has the balls to do what Bush did."


What occurs to me in response to this macho bluster is:

"Any man who is capable of rendering himself unconscious with a pretzel is not competent enough to start a war, or lead the free world, for that matter."

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If we don't rid the world of fanatical freaks who will? when all the fanatics that already live in the U.S.A rise up one day and start jihad right here in our back yard what are all the anti-war freaks going to do then?


We're making enemies faster than we can kill them.

Have you ever thought of that?
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Harper
 
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Reply Sun 2 May, 2004 10:08 am
maddad wrote:
Well,

when all the fanatics that already live in the U.S.A rise up one day and start jihad right here in our back yard what are all the anti-war freaks going to do then? Mad Question Question Question Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


So why is Castro still in power? The American people were told that Saddam was an immediate threat. That wasn't true.
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MyOwnUsername
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 05:59 pm
maddad wrote:
when all the fanatics that already live in the U.S.A rise up one day and start jihad right here in our back yard what are all the anti-war freaks going to do then? Mad Question Question Question Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad


if I choose to disregard your bigotry, I still cannot answer your question.
But, from personal experience, and very good personal experience by the way, I can tell you what you will do when war starts in your back yard. Cause with that kind of fanatics I have experience.
You'll be in Canada in no time
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KesTrel
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 07:29 pm
Its so we can run up the national debt. Have fun killing Iraqi Civilians while were at it. Then all the not so shall we say quick people will see Mr.Bush is a great crusader and vote for him.

All the while we can confirm the death of 788 Soldiers (United States Allies not included. ) We have spent over 114,131,450,000 (which is way more now sence I've written this) and all the meanwhile we can confirm a minimum of 9148 Iraqi deaths. We are sure liberatin em, yippie I ki aye liberate murder whats the diffrence. Stablization is a far off dream in my view.

All the mean while the natioal debt continues to rise, (its allready 7.1 Trillion) with a 5 Billion dallor deficit this year. Jobs are being lost to forigen companys outsorced such a mean word. People loose their jobs, middle class cant afford healthcare. Seniors cannot afford medicen they are percribed by a physican to take. I dont see how this war will help us at home. I know were so great for uhh liberating / mudering their populace. Because im sure they would have all died so fast with saddam there.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html
http://costofwar.com/
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
www.cnn.com
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