@dalehileman,
Quote:Lot more to successful life, Vik, than the mere desire. Every so often we read of a famous, successful, highly regarded individual making a fool of himself or involved in a murder, etc
ah that's right...but we were talking education were we not.
It's easy enough to remove a statement from context and turn it into a subject about something else...but that just leads to a subjectless debate.
Quote:Indubitable Vik. My generalization entails public education where yours depends upon upgrading the parent, seemingly contradictory in view of his abject failure so far. So how do you propose to go about it
Please be more specific. This quote by itself is misleading. Your generalisation entails public education about life...being done in the schools, on top of core education.
My generalisation is not about 'upgrading parents'. This too is misleading. It is about parents taking responsibility for parenting.
You talk about the abject failure of parents, and ignore the historical evidence to the contrary. It is only in the last 40 years that respect that degraded significantly, and at an ever rapidly increasing rate of degradation...that ever increasing degradation of respect also coincides with people passing the buck more & more to the State. It is also with this passing to the State, that people have become more self centred...while at the same time taking less and less responsibility... (mind you, the govt has actively encouraged this self centredness)
...my view is that we should cease this ever more destructive buck passing, and that responsibility for our decisions, and for how we raise our children...should fall back onto us...not the State.
From another angle :
Communism was a great idea - no poor people, everyone valued equally, and the wealth shared among the masses. Unfortunately it had one major failure...people no longer had the desire to work harder, to learn, to better themselves.
Equally...if the State takes over the role of parenting...parents no longer have the desire to better their parenting skills. Parenting skills then become worse & worse as the generations continue.
So my view isn't about 'upgrading' parents. It's about arresting the ever growing slide in parenting skills...which will continue to degrade under buck passing to the state schemes.
Quote:Dunno Vik, you're well ahead of me addressing such detail. Some special sort of teach might be needed, one trained especially in the minors' psycho
Not really...I just think ahead to how something would get implemented, the costs, and the results.
Quote:My ap;loogies Vik but that sounds like some sort of foregone conclusion. I am supposing "my system" might require years to perfect
Again, no need to apologise. The thing here though - based on your criteria...it's not possible to perfect...each child will be different, and 'perfecting' would suggest a set 'method' in a set time frame would get a set result. It won't.
That said - school psychologists are one thing I am quite in favour of (if the govt can afford them). They help teachers. They help students (usually the student will want help, and even if they are sent by a teacher, the psychologist is usually knowledgable enough to navigate the minefields)...and usually such doesn't detriment from school work, or parenting.