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Scientific studies: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists

 
 
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Hm.. Oh look at that first line....

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Take a look at the link...and let me see you acknowledge you were wrong.


I am not wrong. As a matter of fact, "not believe" and "disbelief" mean the same thing, and disbelief is also synonymous to "lack of belief". Therefore, to not believe something is the same as to have a lack of belief for it.

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Yeah...they do.


They do not.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:38 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism

Hm.. Oh look at that first line....

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Take a look at the link...and let me see you acknowledge you were wrong.


I am not wrong. As a matter of fact, "not believe" and "disbelief" mean the same thing, and disbelief is also synonymous to "lack of belief". Therefore, to not believe something is the same as to have a lack of belief for it.


The link takes you to the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary...and the first two entries are:

: a person who believes that God does not exist...and...

...: one who believes that there is no deity

That is exactly what I wrote earlier.

Really...don't try this crap. You're not up to it. And anybody can clink on the link and see that I am telling it exactly as it is.

Why don't you just acknowledge the obvious...that some dictionaries do not agree with your definition...and you were incorrect in proposing it as "the" definition.

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Yeah...they do.


They do not.


Yeah, really, Jimmy. Some atheists do believe there are no gods!

You are precious! I am so happy I found you. Wink
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
The link takes you to the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary...and the first two entries are:

: a person who believes that God does not exist...and...

...: one who believes that there is no deity

That is exactly what I wrote earlier.

Really...don't try this crap. You're not up to it. And anybody can clink on the link and see that I am telling it exactly as it is.

Why don't you just acknowledge the obvious...that some dictionaries do not agree with your definition...and you were incorrect in proposing it as "the" definition.


I just clicked on it. The first entry is: a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Don't try to lie your way out of this. Clearly the definition I'm giving is the accepted definition.

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Yeah, really, Jimmy. Some atheists do believe there are no gods!

You are precious! I am so happy I found you.


No, they do not. They lack the belief that gods exist.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:57 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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The link takes you to the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary...and the first two entries are:

: a person who believes that God does not exist...and...

...: one who believes that there is no deity

That is exactly what I wrote earlier.

Really...don't try this crap. You're not up to it. And anybody can clink on the link and see that I am telling it exactly as it is.

Why don't you just acknowledge the obvious...that some dictionaries do not agree with your definition...and you were incorrect in proposing it as "the" definition.


I just clicked on it. The first entry is: a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Don't try to lie your way out of this. Clearly the definition I'm giving is the accepted definition.

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Yeah, really, Jimmy. Some atheists do believe there are no gods!

You are precious! I am so happy I found you.


No, they do not. They lack the belief that gods exist.


Nice try, Jimmy...but really underhanded.

You changed the link.

Here is the original link:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 03:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Nice try, Jimmy...but really underhanded.

You changed the link.

Here is the original link:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist


I did not change the link. I posted the link for "atheism", which is what we are discussing right now. You posted the link for "atheist".

I've also clearly shown (if the English language is to be followed) that not believing in something is the same as having a lack of belief.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:11 pm
@JimmyJ,
The word means not theist. a-theist. Like in a-moral. And a-septic.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:14 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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Nice try, Jimmy...but really underhanded.

You changed the link.

Here is the original link:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist


I did not change the link. I posted the link for "atheism", which is what we are discussing right now. You posted the link for "atheist".

I've also clearly shown (if the English language is to be followed) that not believing in something is the same as having a lack of belief.


You changed the link.

I provided a link...and you asserted that when you went to the link...it said something different from what I said it said.

But it said exactly what I said.

We ARE talking about "atheist"...in fact you were saying that there are no ATHEISTS who believe there are no gods.

You gotta do much better than this if you actually are going to stick around for years, Jimmy.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You changed the link.

I provided a link...and you asserted that when you went to the link...it said something different from what I said it said.

But it said exactly what I said.

We ARE talking about "atheist"...in fact you were saying that there are no ATHEISTS who believe there are no gods.

You gotta do much better than this if you actually are going to stick around for years, Jimmy.


Please show me where I "asserted" anything about going to your link? I went on Google and found the Meriam webster definition of atheism.

Jumping to conclusions? That doesn't coincide with your belief that you can't "assert" anything if you can't prove it.

Atheists are of the orientation "atheism", correct?

The self-contradicting from you is insane.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:41 pm
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Romeo proclaimed: although the Koran admits Jesus was a miracle man- "Allah gave clear miracles to Isa [Jesus] son of Marium [Mary], and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)
it still can't bring itself to admit he was God's son..
JimmyJ replied: For you to condescendingly say "bring itself to admit he was god's son" shows your arrogance.

Yes mate my superhumanly confident body language and unearthly swagger can seem arrogant, it's a trait all we holy men have, check it out in this vid of me under my wargaming name 'Poor Old Spike'..Smile
(play it fullscreen for maximum dramatic effect)-

"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured" (2 Tim 1:7, Col 4:12)

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:43 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

Quote:
You changed the link.

I provided a link...and you asserted that when you went to the link...it said something different from what I said it said.

But it said exactly what I said.

We ARE talking about "atheist"...in fact you were saying that there are no ATHEISTS who believe there are no gods.

You gotta do much better than this if you actually are going to stick around for years, Jimmy.


Please show me where I "asserted" anything about going to your link? I went on Google and found the Meriam webster definition of atheism.

Jumping to conclusions? That doesn't coincide with your belief that you can't "assert" anything if you can't prove it.

Atheists are of the orientation "atheism", correct?

The self-contradicting from you is insane.


We were talking about "atheists", Jimmy.

The definitions I looked up capture the feelings I expressed when you asserted that "there are no atheists who believe there are no gods."
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:51 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Holy ass wipe is more like it.
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JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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We were talking about "atheists", Jimmy.

The definitions I looked up capture the feelings I expressed when you asserted that "there are no atheists who believe there are no gods."


Atheists and atheism by extension

Nice try.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:54 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

Quote:
We were talking about "atheists", Jimmy.

The definitions I looked up capture the feelings I expressed when you asserted that "there are no atheists who believe there are no gods."


Atheists and atheism by extension

Nice try.


The quote we were dealing with was, "There are no atheists who believe there is no god."

(Damn, I cannot type those words without laughing out loud!)
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
The quote we were dealing with was, "There are no atheists who believe there is no god."

(Damn, I cannot type those words without laughing out loud!)


According to you disbelief is the same as belief. I think I've highlighted how that is not the case in the other thread when you said "you don't do beliefs" right after saying "I don't believe the flying spaghetti monster exists".

If not believing and believing are both types of belief, by your own logic you've contradicted yourself.

Now admit you've lost?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:04 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

Quote:
The quote we were dealing with was, "There are no atheists who believe there is no god."

(Damn, I cannot type those words without laughing out loud!)


According to you disbelief is the same as belief.


Did you make that up by yourself...or did someone help you?

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I think I've highlighted how that is not the case in the other thread when you said "you don't do beliefs" right after saying "I don't believe the flying spaghetti monster exists".

If not believing and believing are both types of belief, by your own logic you've contradicted yourself.

Now admit you've lost?


Jeez, another attempt at claiming a victory. It is a habit with you.

I said I do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster exists." I also do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster does not exist...BECAUSE I DO NOT DO "BELIEVING."

By the way...more careless posting on your part. Earlier it was the Flying Noodle Monster...now you have changed it to Flying Spaghetti Monster.

C'mon, Jimmy. Be more careful.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Did you make that up by yourself...or did someone help you?


Disbelief=not believing
Belief=believing

You claimed not believing was an assertion. You claimed believing was an assertion. You claimed they were essentially the same thing. Therefore, you equate belief and disbelief.

Quote:
Jeez, another attempt at claiming a victory. It is a habit with you.

I said I do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster exists." I also do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster does not exist...BECAUSE I DO NOT DO "BELIEVING."

By the way...more careless posting on your part. Earlier it was the Flying Noodle Monster...now you have changed it to Flying Spaghetti Monster.

C'mon, Jimmy. Be more careful.


I had victory a long time ago. I'm just doing this for sport at this point.

You obviously do believing if you believe that it does and does not exist. You just said that you don't believe it exists and you don't believe it does not exist. You then said you don't do believing, but you just did "believing" twice in a row.

C'mon, Frank. Be more careful.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 06:43 pm
@Setanta,
I spent the last couple of hours putting together an answer regarding your question about the lustrum, with which I was doing.... ok, but I'm no scholar on the subject. I then found an article from just a few years ago with two chaps discussing this very subject, I had archived it for an occasion such as this, as it explains the counter argument far more comprehensively than I could.

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Luke's Nativity story hinges on its `decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.' `Caesar Augustus' was the Roman Emperor, but if the Nativity took place in the reign of the King Herod the Great, the Jews were still Herod's subjects, members of a client kingdom, not a province under direct Roman rule.

You are somewhat mistaken here. It is true that Judea did not technically become a Roman province until 6 AD, but the facts prior to that indicate much tighter authority and control than your statement might lead one to believe. Rome did a military conquest before Herod the Great was even born. Pompey attacked Jerusalem and even invaded the Temple. was made a tributary (read: PAID TRIBUTE$) to Rome until Caesar defeated Pompey in Egypt around 48 BC. Herod the Great's dad had aided Caesar in that endeavor and so won the favor of Julius Caesar (and with it a procuratorship of, plus Roman citizenship and exemption from taxes.) Then in 47 BC, the daddy Herod appointed the son Herod to be governor of Galilee...still completely under Roman rule. He still had to be appointed tetrarch by Antony-- still a thrall, eh?!. He was also proclaimed 'king' by the Roman leaders (Octavius and Antony) in 40 bc--but he had to re-conquer the land from the Parthians, which he did in 37bc. As a 'client kingdom', they were still under the authority of Rome (all of the rulers, for example, were appointed--including ALL the Herods--and ratified by Rome.)

Actually, when I keep reading your paragraph, it sounds like you are calling Luke mistaken in referring to Rome as 'driving the issue' of the census. He is INDEED making that point, but HE is correct in that...The client-kings WERE still subject to Roman enrollment decrees. [see Blaiklock, The Century of the New Testament,(1962) and The Archeology of the New Testament (1970)]

The status of client-kings in the Roman Empire left them responsibility for their subjects' taxation.

Not decision-making authority--they couldn't say 'no', but local execution of the enrollment process-"yes".

Relations between the Emperor Augustus and King Herod had often been stormy and had even led to threats of Roman interference which Herod and his envoys had to avert. However, their conflicts never caused the removal of Herod's royal status, although this was the only way in which his kingdom could have been taxed on the Roman model in accordance with orders from the Roman Emperor. It is not just that Herod the Great never coincided with Quirinius the governor: he never coincided with a Roman taxing of."

The relationship between Augustus and King Herod had its ups and downs, indeed, but the argument that his Roman-granted title of king meant that his nation was exempt from taxes/tribute/census is just flat wrong. As I hinted at up above, it had become a tribute-paying tributary since its conquest by Pompey LONG BEFORE King Herod gets his title! (more below on this).

Augustus never issued a decree to tax the whole world.

Robin Lane Fox, The Unauthorized Version: Truth and Fiction in the Bible, p. 29.

"It is even doubtful if the Emperor Augustus ever issued a decree to Rome's provinces that `all the world should be taxed.' Certainly, Romans did take censuses in individual provinces which were ruled directly by their governors. They were not, however, co-ordinated by an order from Augustus to all the world, at least so far as our evidence goes.

Read: argument from silence! (see below the points from Historian's Fallacies)

As that evidence extends through histories, local inscriptions and the papyrus returns of tax-payers in Egypt, it is immensely unlikely that a new edict of such consequence has escaped our knowledge.

Who are you trying to kid? You and I are looking at the same sources, no doubt, and there are HUGE, HUGE, HUGE gaps in the records! 'immensely unlikely'?!

In AD 6 we do know that Augustus was enacting a new tax on inheritance to help pay for his armies;

BTW, the taxation to support his army, is the main reason it is believed that Quirinius assisted in the taxing of 8-5 BC...his extended military maneuvers on the Pisidian highlands (dating from around 12 BC) would have required additional financing...

however, the tax affected only Roman citizens, not Jews of Nazareth, and there was no need for a worldwide census to register their names.

Remember, the census in AD 6 is NOT the one of Luke 2.2 (of 8-6 BC.)...but the census of AD 6 DID hit the Jews pretty heavily...at least 600 talents as a nation acc. to Josephus (Antiq. 17.320; Jewish War 2.97--cited in Jeremias' Jerusalem in the Times of Jesus: An investigation into the economic and social conditions during the New Testament period,Fortress: 1969). As a national tax, it DID effect the Jewish folk--loads like this are ALWAYS 'distributed to the people'(!) in addition to the already oppressive tax structure of the Herods...

And Luke does NOT place the 'worldwide census' at the time of the AD 6 tax...but rather puts it some time BEFORE the Syrian-based one in 7-5 BC...

But more accurately, Luke was probably not referring to a taxation census at all--simply a "registration". Registrations were normally associated with (1) taxation (above discussion); (2) military service (Jews were exempt) and (3) special government "ballots". We have conclusive evidence that an empire-wide (in decree, not necessarily execution, of course) registration occurred in the time frame described by Luke! Martin [CKC:89-90] summarizes the literary, archeological, and iconographic evidence for this:

" A sixth reason for placing the nativity of Jesus in 3 or 2 B.C. isthe coincidence of this date with the New Testament account that Jesus was born at the time when a Roman census was being conducted: "There went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the IRoman] world should be registered" (Luke 2:1). Historians have not been able to find any empire-wide census or registration in the years 7-5 B.C., but there is a reference to such a registration of all the Roman people not long before 5 February 2 B.C. written by Caesar Augustus himself: "While I was administering my thirteenth consulship [2 B.C.] the senate and the equestrian order and the entire Roman people gave me the title Father of my Country" (Res Gestae 35, italics added). This award was given to Augustus on 5 February 2 B.C., therefore the registration of citizen approval must have taken place in 3 B.C. Orosius, in the fifth century, also said that Roman records of his time revealed that a census was indeed held when Augustus was made "the first of men"--an apt description of his award "Father of the Country"--at a time when all the great nations gave an oath of obedience to Augustus (6:22, 7:2). Orosius dated the census to 3 B.C. And besides that, Josephus substantiates that an oath of obedience to Augustus was required in Judea not long before the death of Herod (Antiquities I7:4I-45). This agrees nicely in a chronological sense with what Luke records. But more than that, an inscription found in Paphlagonia (eastern Turkey), also dated to 3 B.C., mentions an "oath sworn by all the people in the land at the altars of Augustus in the temples of Augustus in the various districts." And dovetailing precisely with this inscription, the early (fifth century) Armenian historian, Moses of Khoren, said the census that brought Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem was conducted by Roman agents in Armenia where they set up "the image of Augustus Caesar in every temple.''. The similarity of this language is strikingly akin to the wording on the Paphlagonian inscription describing the oath taken in 3 B.C. These indications can allow us to reasonably conclude that the oath (of Josephus, the Paphlagonian inscription, and Orosius) and the census (mentioned by Luke, Orosius, and Moses of Khoren) were one and the same. All of these things happened in 3 B.C."

What this means is that we have very, very clear evidence of an empire-wide registration in the time frame required! (How much more data do you need?!)

In Judea under Quirinius, we know from Josephus's histories of something more appropriate, not a worldwide decree but a local census in AD 6 to assess Judea when the province passed from rule by Herod's family to direct rule by Rome. Although this census was local, it caused a notorious outcry, not least because some of the Jews argued that the innovation was contrary to scripture and the will of God. According to the third Gospel, the census which took Joseph to Bethlehem was `the first while Quirinius was governor of Syria.'

I have already pointed out that 'first while' is probably a mistranslation of the text -- 'before' is more in line with koine idiom (see the reference of N. Turner, above)

Quirinius's census was indeed the first, but it belonged in AD 6 when King Herod, the story's other marker, was long since dead."

A couple of concluding points:

That Augustus MIGHT HAVE issued a world-wide census decree (a record of which is only preserved in Luke's gospel) is ALTOGETHER reasonable and plausible. The data about Augustus' 'propensity' to count and tax is well known. For example, he documents, in his own records, how he counted the Roman nation some three times (Res Gestae Divi Augusti , 8--from Roman Civilization--SourceBook II: the Empire, eds. Lewis and Reinhold, p 12)., and increasingly levied detailed taxes throughout his reign--with the attendant increase in bribery and vice (see Gibbons' Rise and Fall). As vain as he was, it would not be surprising at all for this to have occurred.
It was also customary for the Roman empire to take a census when there was a change of local government (e.g. when Archelaus was deposed in AD 6, one of Quirinius' first tasks was to liquidate his estate and hold a census to determine the tribute load.) The implication of this pattern for our discussion is that when Varus became governor of Syria in 7 BC, one of his first acts would have been to take a census (the one which would have produced the trip from Nazareth to Bethlehem for Joseph/Mary.)
We KNOW Augustus instituted a 14-year census-cycle for EGYPT in 10/9 BC...(SourceBook II, above, p. 388)...Not only does this give us more confirmation that Augustus was a "countin' sorta guy'" but it may reflect a local execution of a 'worldwide decree' of Augustus.
To assert that Augustus did not make such a decree is an affirmative historical statement. And, "the burden of proof, for any historical assertion, always rests upon its author" (Hacket, Historians' Fallacies, Harper: 1970, p 63.).
And to argue that Luke was wrong because there was NO worldwide decree (because we don't have a record of the specific decree) is to make a common mistake in historical method--arguing from 'slim' silence (some silence-arguments can be made to work, though). Hacket again:
"evidence must always be affirmative. Negative evidence is a contradiction in terms--it is no evidence at all. The nonexistence of an object [read: "worldwide decree"-gmm] is established not by nonexistent evidence [read: "we can't find the decree so far"-gmm] but by affirmative evidence of the fact that it did not, or could not exist [e.g. a document that says it did not happen--gmm]" (above, p62)

And, in spite of the above methodological and background problems, we DO HAVE CONCRETE EVIDENCE of an empire-wide Augustian registration--literary, archeological, iconographic.
To summarize this section on the 'the missing census of 7/5 BC': I HAVE affirmative evidence and good arguments for such a census--


Luke, a very, very, very reliable historian SAYS SO!
Augustus was this 'type of person' with repeated, known actions along this line.
These kinds of events occurred at major changes in ruling personnel--a situation that obtained in Palestine at the time Luke indicates.
Parallel events occurred in other Roman-controlled areas, in roughly the same time (i.e. Egypt 10/9 BC).
There is not a scrap of contrary data.
Quirinius' participation is such an event (along with Varus) is not only possible, but highly likely.
We have positive evidence of an empire-wide decree of Augustus within a year or two of the required date.


With regard to Pontius pilate, you have me at a disadvantage my friend, I have never covered the subject, so at least for now, I concede that I have no answer, you do however give me an excuse to get my head into the history books, been a few weeks since I did any proper reading Smile

If at a later date I find the answer, I'll let you know
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 08:45 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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Did you make that up by yourself...or did someone help you?


Disbelief=not believing
Belief=believing

You claimed not believing was an assertion. You claimed believing was an assertion. You claimed they were essentially the same thing. Therefore, you equate belief and disbelief.


Where and when did I do all this?

(Hint: I never did it.)

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Jeez, another attempt at claiming a victory. It is a habit with you.

I said I do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster exists." I also do not "believe" the flying spaghetti monster does not exist...BECAUSE I DO NOT DO "BELIEVING."

By the way...more careless posting on your part. Earlier it was the Flying Noodle Monster...now you have changed it to Flying Spaghetti Monster.

C'mon, Jimmy. Be more careful.


I had victory a long time ago. I'm just doing this for sport at this point.


If it makes you feel better about yourself to think you have won something here, Jimmy, by all means do it. Please excuse the sound of me laughing at the notion.

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You obviously do believing if you believe that it does and does not exist.


Really. But I said I do NOT believe it exists...and I do NOT believe is does not exist.

Try to keep up, Jimmy. Lagging will only get you into trouble.


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You just said that you don't believe it exists and you don't believe it does not exist. You then said you don't do believing, but you just did "believing" twice in a row.

C'mon, Frank. Be more careful.


I said NOT believing...and you are pretending that I said believing and not believing are the same thing.

You are being silly and desperate now. Try to get back under control and make some sense.
JimmyJ
 
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Reply Wed 18 Dec, 2013 09:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Where and when did I do all this?

(Hint: I never did it.)


Throughout this entire argument that has been your viewpoint.

Are you now going to change positions and say that is not your viewpoint? Perhaps I misunderstood you and you can explain your true viewpoint to me now.

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If it makes you feel better about yourself to think you have won something here, Jimmy, by all means do it. Please excuse the sound of me laughing at the notion.


It hardly brings me joy to defeat an old man without much left to live for.

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Really. But I said I do NOT believe it exists...and I do NOT believe is does not exist.

Try to keep up, Jimmy. Lagging will only get you into trouble.


So you believe it neither exists nor does not exist. That is a belief.

Try not to bs.

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I said NOT believing...and you are pretending that I said believing and not believing are the same thing.

You are being silly and desperate now. Try to get back under control and make some sense.


You said that they were both forms of belief. For example, "I believe god exists" and "I believe god does not exist" are the same to you. One is a disbelief and one is a belief, but you say the "disbelief" is also a "belief".

Please, try to understand yourself before you post such nonsense.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Thu 19 Dec, 2013 05:41 am
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Smileyrius said: With regard to Pontius pilate,..I have never covered the subject,

It's pretty straightforward mate-

PILATE - "I find Jesus not guilty"
SNOOTY PRIESTS - "Whoa bub, he said he was a King so that makes him guilty of treason against your Caesar who's the only true king.
If you let a traitor off it'll look bad on your record and you'll end up slopping out the latrines in the Colosseum"..
PILATE - "Hmm yes, okay I'd better sign the death warrant to cover my ass"
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"And Pilate said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.
And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required" (Luke 23:22-24)
 

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