Scientific studies: Religious people are less intelligent than atheists

But isn't the earth and the universe evidence of a Creator?

JimmyJ said: Christians state that Jesus was an incarnation of god himself

Edgar said: Jesus was an incarnation of the imagination

You're too soft mate, what are you, a lefty social worker?..
By getting rid of them, God improved the breeding stock of the human race by removing them from the gene pool. They asked for trouble and they got it-

Muslims are forbidden to like Christians-
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends" )Koran 5:51)

so although the Koran admits Jesus was a miracle man-
"Allah gave clear miracles to Isa [Jesus] son of Marium [Mary], and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)

it still can't bring itself to admit he was God's son..

But isn't the earth and the universe evidence of a Creator?
Or did it just suddenly decide to appear out of nowhere on its own?

PS- but to return to the "intelligence" debate, Jehovahs's Witnesses call themselves "christians", yet they let themselves and their kids die for want of a blood transfusion, which doesn't sound very intelligent to me.
I bet no atheist would ever refuse a transfusion for themselves or their kids.

Everything is made of individual atoms like this one.
So how did it suddenly pop into existence?
I mean, one second there was just an empty spot in the void, and the next second an atom was there!

That was a positive assertion on your part, Jimmy. You asserted that it is more likely that there is no god than that there is one.

Where is the evidence that validates that assertion?

And if you do not have it...and it was just an atheistic throw away line like the theistic throw away line of, "It is more likely that there is a GOD than that there are no gods"...grow the spine to acknowledge that it is.

C'mon, Jimmy, if you do...we can have more fun discussing less absurd notions...and you will be able to put away all that silly, " I think I've clearly made my point with you on how illogical your methodology is."

But why would anybody want to sit down and "invent" Jesus and Christianity what would be their motive?

My...you are all worked up. Have I gotten to you that much in the short time we've had to work together, Jimmy? We've got so much more to do...so try to get a grip on it.

Many "textbooks" do not use "lack of belief" as a definition of "atheism"...and if you are suggesting there are no atheist who "believe" there are no gods...I can introduce you to some right here in A2K.

Jimmy...there is nothing ridiculous about any "claims" that I make.

But if it calms you down a bit to "believe" that there is...please continue to delude yourself. It is interesting (and a bit entertaining) to watch.

Ahhh...so you are acknowledging that some do. Big improvement. Keep it up.

And you do guess!

Wow...you really do have trouble presenting logically coherent arguments, Jimmy.

For the record...a guess can be in exactly the opposite direction. Some atheists, for instance, GUESS that there are no gods.

Ah, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. You have got to control yourself...and stop making yourself look like an out-of-control. That makes you look ridiculous.

Not sure where you get this strange idea that I am (or pretend to be) "neutral on all subjects"...but you couldn't be more wrong. When I do not know something, I have the spine and the sense of ethics to acknowledge that I do not know it. That is not being neutral on all subjects. Keep on growing...and some day you might achieve that ability also.

Hey, this is fun. We have got to keep talking. You really are an enjoyable debate companion.

[But why would anybody want to sit down and "invent" Jesus and Christianity what would be their motive?/quote]

To explain the unknown? Half of christianity is just copied from other religions that existed prior. Humans have always invented deities to explain what we don't understand. As our knowledge grows, religion shrinks.

not the least of which was as a means for "priests" to control the population.

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My...you are all worked up. Have I gotten to you that much in the short time we've had to work together, Jimmy? We've got so much more to do...so try to get a grip on it.

Many "textbooks" do not use "lack of belief" as a definition of "atheism"...and if you are suggesting there are no atheist who "believe" there are no gods...I can introduce you to some right here in A2K.

You'd like to think I'm worked up lol. I debate idiots like you frequently. This is not new for me.

There are no atheists who "believe" there are no gods because atheism itself is a lack of belief. Again, bald is not a hair color.

Now you are saying there are no atheists who believe there are no gods.

Is there no end to what you will say in order to cause me to laugh out loud?

Jimmy...get a grip on it, young man. You are losing it.

Why, by the way, are you saying that atheism is only a lack of belief?

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Jimmy...there is nothing ridiculous about any "claims" that I make.

But if it calms you down a bit to "believe" that there is...please continue to delude yourself. It is interesting (and a bit entertaining) to watch.

It's pretty obvious that most of what you say is ridiculous. It's not my problem that you can't accept it and change your ways. Most people like you are too far gone to be saved.

Nice try. But really way short.

I am not saying anything that is ridiculous. But you have started to come very close to doing so yourself.

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Ahhh...so you are acknowledging that some do. Big improvement. Keep it up.

And you do guess!

I do not guess.

Yeah...you really do.

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Wow...you really do have trouble presenting logically coherent arguments, Jimmy.

For the record...a guess can be in exactly the opposite direction. Some atheists, for instance, GUESS that there are no gods.

No, the illogical argument is, "you can't prove the negative and therefore it's a possibility." I'll give you a hint, that's YOUR standpoint.

This is mangled and I cannot make sense of it. I am not sure what you are trying to say that I said. Re-write it coherently if you want me to comment.

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And no, atheists do not "guess" that there are no gods.

Oh, but many of them do.

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Ah, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. You have got to control yourself...and stop making yourself look like an out-of-control. That makes you look ridiculous.

Not sure where you get this strange idea that I am (or pretend to be) "neutral on all subjects"...but you couldn't be more wrong. When I do not know something, I have the spine and the sense of ethics to acknowledge that I do not know it. That is not being neutral on all subjects. Keep on growing...and some day you might achieve that ability also.

Hey, this is fun. We have got to keep talking. You really are an enjoyable debate companion.

It has nothing to do with not knowing things. It has to do with acknowledging ridiculous claims just because you can't go out and prove that they AREN'T true. The burden of proof falls on the one who asserts that something is true. Not the one who asserts that it is not. This is taught in any English 101 level'd class and also in many beginner philosophy classes.

Well...you asserted that it is true that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there are. So, although I seldom actually ask for proof (I prefer evidence)...what is your proof that it is more likely?

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You should look into taking some. I know you're a little older and going back to school is probably a scary thought for you, but still.

Not at all...but it is much more fun here listening to your do what you are doing. So I'll stick here.

Thanks for sticking with me. I won't forget this kindness.

Now you are saying there are no atheists who believe there are no gods.

Is there no end to what you will say in order to cause me to laugh out loud?

Jimmy...get a grip on it, young man. You are losing it.

Why, by the way, are you saying that atheism is only a lack of belief?

Nice try. But really way short.

I am not saying anything that is ridiculous. But you have started to come very close to doing so yourself.

Yeah...you really do.

Oh, but many of them do.

Well...you asserted that it is true that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there are. So, although I seldom actually ask for proof (I prefer evidence)...what is your proof that it is more likely?

Not at all...but it is much more fun here listening to your do what you are doing. So I'll stick here.

Thanks for sticking with me. I won't forget this kindness.

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Now you are saying there are no atheists who believe there are no gods.

Is there no end to what you will say in order to cause me to laugh out loud?

Jimmy...get a grip on it, young man. You are losing it.

Why, by the way, are you saying that atheism is only a lack of belief?

Atheists don't "believe" anything. That's the point. Why you can't understand this is beyond me. Does it have to do with your age?

And I'm saying that because that's the definition of atheism.

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Nice try. But really way short.

I am not saying anything that is ridiculous. But you have started to come very close to doing so yourself.

Obviously a lot of people disagree with you. Most of your view-points are borderline ridiculous.

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Oh, but many of them do.

They do not.

Really. You are sure of that?

Here are just a few definitions I found in a few minute search:

Macmillan Dictionary: " someone who believes that God does not exist"

Merriam Webster: (first two entries): " a person who believes that God does not exist"...

..." one who believes that there is no deity"

American Heritage Dictionary: " One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."

I guess some of the dictionaries do not agree with you.

Yeah, they do.

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Really. You are sure of that?

Here are just a few definitions I found in a few minute search:

Macmillan Dictionary: " someone who believes that God does not exist"

Merriam Webster: (first two entries): " a person who believes that God does not exist"...

..." one who believes that there is no deity"

American Heritage Dictionary: " One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."

I guess some of the dictionaries do not agree with you.

You lied about the Merriam webster definition. I just googled it and it says "a disbelief"... Also, you can type in "atheism definition" on google and the first thing that comes up for the google definition says, and I quote, "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

Going to admit you're wrong on that one or just pretend I didn't say anything??

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Yeah, they do.

They do not.