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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 11:06 am
@Herald,
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Suppose the water on the Earth is 1,385,999,652,414.- cu.km, and the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere is 5.15 x 10^18 kg x 20.946%; and the hydrogen is 5.15 x 10^18 kg x 0.000055%; the average mass of a comet is 1 to 1.1 x 10^14.
How much time will you need 'to fill' the ocean with water ... and the Earth's atmosphere with H2 and O2, by using the courier services of the comets and by taking into consideration that all the stony, stony-iron and iron meteorites falling on the Earth in-between are burning oxygen into some oxides (different from water)?

That is funny stuff there Herald. Did you think it up all by yourself?

Either you are presenting an argument filled with red herrings and misinformation or you don't understand how chemistry works. I can't figure out which one.

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This disproves automatically your theory that the water came gradually to the Earth from the falling meteorites.
This 'evidence' proves that you not only don't have the vaguest idea about the origin of water on the Earth, but also that you don't know what does that mean?

I am curious when you think FM presented this theory as being the one he was all in favor of. It seems your reading and comprehension skills are lacking.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 11:16 am
@Herald,
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Suppose the water on the Earth is 1,385,999,652,414.- cu.km, and the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere is 5.15 x 10^18 kg x 20.946%; and the hydrogen is 5.15 x 10^18 kg x 0.000055%; the average mass of a comet is 1 to 1.1 x 10^14.
How much time will you need 'to fill' the ocean with water ... and the Earth's atmosphere with H2 and O2, by using the courier services of the comets and by taking into consideration that all the stony, stony-iron and iron meteorites falling on the Earth in-between are burning oxygen into some oxides (different from water)?


By the way, the answer for your question is zero time because with 1.38 billion cubic km of water, then the oceans are already filled. The amount of hydrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere don't matter because the water exists already.

If you wish to give starting parameters that are different from the ending ones then we can recalculate. Of course any starting parameters would be a guess on your part so any answer would be GIGO.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 12:18 pm
@parados,
yoiks, he gets himself further and further away from any point.

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:51 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
You do have a problem with concurrent thoughts that are occasions of sin.


Bob Dylan has it too.

Quote:
The glamour and the bright lights, and the politics of sin


From Dead Man, Dead Man/When will you arise?/ Cobwebs in your mind/ Dust upon your eyes.

But I do understand why you have the matter on Ignore. And not just you.

Herald is facilitating your play-pen antic diversions and making a mug of you for good measure.

Water has mighty poetical connotations. But that's in the field of Art and I know you have no interest in the subject.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 04:13 pm
@spendius,
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Herald is facilitating your play-pen antic diversions and making a mug of you for good measure.
That is another draught of typical spendi bullshit but if it gives you pleasure, live it up.
Herald has no idea of what he speaks but I assume he has you fooled.
His own "antics" are more those of someone who is trying to sound intelligent but has no idea where to begin.
His game gives him a word count among his Fundamentalist peers whether he makes any sense or not.
He started this entire thread at my request and hes still not been able to cobble together an intelligent phrase.





\\\

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Apr, 2014 04:56 pm
@farmerman,
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That is another draught of typical spendi bullshit but if it gives you pleasure, live it up.


Not at all. The politics of sin--remember. You're using H to avoid the subject and trying to pretend that you do know where the water came from and you have no idea.

The Ice Comets cometh and lo the waters of the deep waxed mighty. Like a great flood I suppose.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 07:36 am
@spendius,
That's the beauty of science. It takes some powerful evidence to "Settle it". Herald and the Creationists try to use the "I don't know for sure but heres a bunch of hypotheses" as some kind of proof to default back to their worldview, When indeed, their worldview has NO EVIDENCE at all.

If youre dumb enough to buy Heralds gibberish, then, you should be a priest and not a druggist
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 08:37 am
@farmerman,
The science of what?

You are both guilty of the same fundamental error which is reading the history with a 20th century interpretation of the symbols.

I don't claim anything other than a vague awareness, and a fascination, with the science of those meanings, but it is sufficient to know what your error is and the impossibility of either of you being able to correct it.

Your respective conceits are that those who wrote the histories, and those they were written for, were people of limited and undisciplined intelligence.

Dream on at your own chosen speed.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 09:23 am
@spendius,
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The science of what?

You are both guilty of the same fundamental error which is reading the history

Science isn't reading history. That seems to be your fundamental error. It's a pretty large error.

When you base your argument on sand spendi, it doesn't take any water from comets to wash it away.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 10:02 am
@parados,
Well-- I would never make a bald assertion and follow it up with a "seems". And then add another bald assertion as a conclusion.

Will you provide some evidence, anything will do if it passes muster, for your first assertion.

Whether what "seems" to be my error is a large one I will concede if, indeed, it is an error.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 10:28 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Well-- I would never make a bald assertion and follow it up with a "seems". And then add another bald assertion as a conclusion.
Of course you wouldn't seam anything because you do sew much better.
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Will you provide some evidence, anything will do if it passes muster, for your first assertion.
Science allows for prediction. That means you can't just read history to do it.

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Whether what "seems" to be my error is a large one I will concede if, indeed, it is an error.
I won't lock you into one error spendi. You could be making several. Without further testing we won't know for sure which ones you are making. Now if you'll excuse me I must go wind a clock. I wouldn't want to forget to do that as it might prompt silly questions.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 11:55 am
@parados,
I expect we can rely on you to wind the clock efficiently.

Could you express the speed of light without reference to religiously derived mensuration methods?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 01:45 pm
@spendius,
There is no disputing against Hobby-Horses; and for my part, I seldom do; nor could I with any sort of grace, had I been an enemy to them.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 01:55 pm
@parados,
Excellent reply. Gallant even.

I could imagine it being said by a gentleman to a lady who he knows is refusing his attentions because he's skint.

It is worthy of an airing in a bodice-ripping costume drama.

He is accusing her of whoring in the politest manner.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 01:58 pm
@spendius,
It has often come into my head, that this post could be no other than that of the king's chief Jester.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 02:57 pm
@parados,
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"A man and his HOBBY-HORSE, tho' I cannot say that they act and re-act exactly after the same manner in which the soul and body do upon each other: Yet doubtless there is a communication between them of some kind … so that if you are able to give but a clear description of the nature of the one, you may form a pretty exact notion of the genius and character of the other"


See Laurence Sterne.. Tristram Shandy. Book 1. Chapter 24.
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 09:15 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
yoiks, he gets himself further and further away from any point.

Obviously I am not alone. The time of the said quantity is 'at present'.
FM, do you have the comets (the number of), or you don't have them?
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Herald
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2014 09:39 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
You do have a problem with concurrent thoughts that are occasions of sin.

FM, at least some people have some problem, for as far as I can see you are light years away from the nearest problem ... on any theme.
... and the theme here was that you don't know from where and how did the water come down on the Earth, whether it (H2O) has been always here or not, and hance you do not have any verified and validated preconditions for any evolutionary mumbo jumbo.
The only thing that you can measure is age of 4.2 - 4.5 BN years ... which is the age of everything in the SS.
BTW if Big Bang is 13.9 BN years old what was here in the place of the SS before that (the point of time 4.5 BN years ago)? If you are missing information for a period fo 9.4 BN years why do you think that you know anything about the Big Bang pre-history pseudoscientific vacchanalia?

farmerman wrote:
Herald has no idea of what he speaks

... and you have. I knew that I was missing something, and that something is your cross-cultural misunderstanding about your personal understanding of the things ... and about the origin of water on the Earth, in particular.
You don't have any sustainable theory about the origin of water on the Earth, but you know how to cultivate green algae in melted lava and a photosphere of hydrogen and helium ... and oxygen from the interstellar medium.
You don't know how many comets you will need to fill the ocean, and you don't know what is the probability for such comets to hit the Earth, and you cannot explain why is this frequency of hits not observed with most of the other planets of the SS, but you have a theory about the evolution of the green algae ... borne in the helium plazma or s.th.
WFM, FM.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 12:41 am
@Herald,
NASA has answered a number of your questions>

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Although the exact process by which life formed on Earth is not well understood, the origin of life requires the presence of carbon-based molecules, liquid water and an energy source. Because some Near-Earth Objects contain carbon-based molecules and water ice, collisions of these object with Earth have significant agents of biologic as well as geologic change.
For the first billion years of Earth's existence, the formation of life was prevented by a fusillade of comet and asteroid impacts that rendered the Earth's surface too hot to allow the existence of sufficient quantities of water and carbon-based molecules. Life on Earth began at the end of this period called the late heavy bombardment, some 3.8 billion years ago. The earliest known fossils on Earth date from 3.5 billion years ago and there is evidence that biological activity took place even earlier - just at the end of the period of late heavy bombardment. So the window when life began was very short. As soon as life could have formed on our planet, it did. But if life formed so quickly on Earth and there was little in the way of water and carbon-based molecules on the Earth's surface, then how were these building blocks of life delivered to the Earth's surface so quickly? The answer may involve the collision of comets and asteroids with the Earth, since these objects contain abundant supplies of both water and carbon-based molecules.

Once the early rain of comets and asteroids upon the Earth subsided somewhat, subsequent impacts may well have delivered the water and carbon-based molecules to the Earth's surface - thus providing the building blocks of life itself. It seems possible that the origin of life on the Earth's surface could have been first prevented by an enormous flux of impacting comets and asteroids, then a much less intense rain of comets may have deposited the very materials that allowed life to form some 3.5 - 3.8 billion years ago.

Comets have this peculiar duality whereby they first brought the building blocks of life to Earth some 3.8 billion years ago and subsequent cometary collisions may have wiped out many of the developing life forms, allowing only the most adaptable species to evolve further. It now seems likely that a comet or asteroid struck near the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico some 65 million years ago and caused a massive extinction of more than 75% of the Earth's living organisms, including the dinosaurs. At the time, the mammals were small burrowing creatures that seemed to survive the catastrophic impact without too much difficulty. Because many of their larger competitors were destroyed, these mammals flourished. Since we humans evolved from these primitive mammals, we may owe our current preeminence atop Earth's food chain to collisions of comets and asteroids with the Earth.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 03:52 am
@MontereyJack,
Is it possible to falsify that theory Jack?
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