Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@FBM,

FBM wrote:

The gaps are your numerous, fallacious, failed attempts to deny science.

They are nothing of the kind in the construct 'whatever-of-the-gaps'. The idea of the concept is that there are gaps in the scientific interpretation of the world (like for example Infinite Gravitation, Infinite Temperature; existence of energy fields without force carrier; existence of whatever before the launching of Time, etc.); and somebody is misusing with that gaps, by filling them with something else - finite Gravity for example.
I told you in one of the previous posts that you neither know what you are quoting, nor why - you should believe me.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

...there are gaps in the scientific interpretation of the world ... and somebody is misusing with that gaps [sic], by filling them with something else - ...

Like invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Like invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies.

Yes, this is your idea, but how? How exactly 'am I filling' the creative helplessness of science to explain the existence - pay attention that we are not commenting yet finite and infinite - in the physical world of a force field without a force carrier, with the 'presence of the aliens'? What is the mechanics of 'that filling with aliens'? With or without the aliens the Infinite Gravitation can neither exist, nor appear out of Nothing & out of Nowhere - where is 'the filling'?
My claim is that the assumptions of the Creation (if has happened at all) are most probably unknowable, and that in any case scenario the 'explanations' of the present day science resemble much more fables for idiots than any serious scientific justifications.

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@Herald,

I've already explained it a dozen times, most recently a few posts ago. You need reading comprehension and memory assistance, as well as intellectual honesty, alien man.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I've already explained it a dozen times.

No, you are never explaining anything. You simply provide some stochastic comments and random (& very often absolutely irrelevant) references, and count that as 'explanation' and 'discussion'. Forget about what you have told, or you are thinking to have told, and tell now: How exactly 'am I filling' the Gap of the Infinite Gravitation with your top design strawman 'aliens of the gaps' - what is the mechanics, where is the substitution ... and where is the justification of your claim?

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@Herald,

Maybe you should look into expanding your stochastic gravitational vocabulary to infinity. I justified my claim above. Every time you point to a current limit in scientific understanding, you're repeating the fallacy. You want to find a way to make a universe of teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies, but the only way you're going to make any sense is to simply provide evidence that they exist.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Maybe you should look into expanding your stochastic gravitational vocabulary to infinity.

... and maybe when you have a question perhaps you should talk on it ... not escaping into another reality.

FBM wrote:

I justified my claim above.

You are totally detached both from this world, and from this discussion.

FBM wrote:

Every time you point to a current limit in scientific understanding ...

You take out some red herring and divert the attention. Can you explain the Infinite Gravitation or not? Can you explain its existence before Time, or not? Its appearing out of Nowhere ... and without any causality? Its operation without a force carrier? ... and its operation without any problems in your misunderstanding & misinterpretation of the world, existing in the form of 'aliens of the Gaps'?

FBM wrote:

... you're repeating the fallacy.

... and you are keeping not understanding the point. It doesn't matter. What matters here is that you are helpless to explain your own claim about that 'aliens of the Gaps' incl. the enumeration of the Gaps. You are helpless to specify your own beliefs ... or are perhaps afraid to state them openly, for they are so anti-social, anti-humane, and so crazy, that you are ashamed even to mention them.

FBM wrote:

You want to find a way to make a universe of teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingies

... and you are unable to prove that this is not improbable. BTW this exchange of information, if exists and if ever becomes proved, does not concern our origin as species so much as it concerns sooner our ending as ILF unable to manage and put under control its own greed and stupidity. How are we headed fast forward towards our ending as species after exhausting the limited resources of the Earth and sending the biosphere in the Dimension X, and how we are not doing anything to avoid it, especially people like you who are participating continuously in the design of the bad news and want to here some good news about that. This ending is already so obvious that you don't even need any prompting from any aliens to see where we are headed, and how far will that go.

FBM wrote:

... but the only way you're going to make any sense is to simply provide evidence that they exist.

Who are those 'they', who cares about your aliens, and why should I prove anything of the kind, when my claim is that the authenticity of the assumptions for the Creation of the World (if it has been created at all) are unknowable. What evidence am I supposed to present to prove that something is unknowable ... and are you at a level to understand it at all, when and if I present such evidence?

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@Herald,

I see you prefer your gaps fallacy with a side order of argument from ignorance. Laughing

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@Herald,

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and you are unable to prove that this is not improbable.

Textbook argumentum ad ignorantiam. You won't support your attempt to fabricate a teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingy-friendly universe with fallacies. Show us something that can't be explained unless they exist. Show us evidence that it's possible for them to teleport designs for the earth (or anything else, for that matter). Show us something other than hand-waving, logical fallacies and word salads.

'Random guy on the internet can't explain obscure details about science, therefore my teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingy is just as plausible as anything the scientists say, and you can't prove it's not real' is BS from the get-go. Fail, fail and fail again. Give us some evidence. That's what the scientists do.

If you're really so concerned about the future of the planet, cut the crap with the science denialism. You're not going to daydream the planet out of the problems.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Show us something that can't be explained unless they exist.

What about your evidence: what evidence do you personally have that all that issue is provable in the way you are imagining it? After all that hypothesis of yours could be just 'air under pressure on idle mode' and nothing else.

FBM wrote:

Show us evidence that it's possible for them to teleport designs for the earth (or anything else, for that matter).

Telepathy is possible and it has been studied for centuries and I don't need to present any evidence about that, but you don't have any statistical test, by which to distinguish which part of the phenomenology is absolutely personal experience and nightmares provoked by some personal psychological trauma in the past, and which part is misuse with psychotronics by some military criminals, and in which case one is connected to something else - nothing of all that is interesting to me actually. Perhaps you should ask somebody else about that.

FBM wrote:

Show us something other than hand-waving, logical fallacies and word salads.

     Why should I do that. I have zero interests in you retarded phenomenology, and IMV all the people dealing with such things should be eavesdropped and scanned by the satellite of the psychotronics and the NSA ... and 'by the aliens' 24/7.
     When I told you that you are totally detached from the reality and from this forum - I really meant it. Your retarded phenomenology is not the point of this thread, has never intended to be, and has never been. I am not interested in your phenomenology at all, and nobody on this and on the other threads is interested in that either. You are the only one interested to infinity in your strawman of the aliens. You like it so much that no wonder one day to draw a picture of it and hang it on the wall.
     BTW you are talking continuously about science, but you are an ugly caricature of any science. You present your phenomenology as science, but in any case scenario it is super-subjective and provides infinite possibilities for misinterpretation, misrepresentation and misuse.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

What about your evidence: what evidence do you personally have that all that issue is provable in the way you are imagining it? After all that hypothesis...

Straw man, red herring. The only hypothesis I'm putting forth is that your claims are rife with logical fallacies, and I've proven it more times that I can count.

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Telepathy is possible and it has been studied for centuries and I don't need to present any evidence about that...

Yes, you do. First of all, telepathy isn't teleportation. Pay attention. Telepathy has been studied for centuries and those studies have shown it to be bullshit. If you claim that it's legit, the very thing that you HAVE to do is show some evidence.

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Why should I do that.

It's your hypothesis, the burden of evidence lies on you. Until you present evidence, we're perfectly legit to think that you're as fucked up as a football bat. Evidence is what separates science from junk, woo, superstition and flat out lunacy.

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Where are your alien/ILF/god-of-the-gap-thingies? How do they teleport? Tell us something intelligible for a change, Herod.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Straw man, red herring.

How exactly ... it is a 'srawman' and 'red herring'? All your behaviour in the last 300 pages is based exclusively on the assumption that you are capable to prove that my hypothesis of possible ILF communication is an absolute fantasy and an evidence for total detachment from the reality of the person daring to express and put on the table for public discussion something of the kind and that in the capacity of a great phenomenologist you are understanding at all what you are doing, on the grounds whereof and by reason of which, you start repeating like a broken record for over 300 pages and to infinity one and the same question: what is your evidence of psychotronic communication, what is your evidence? I don't have any evidence and I don't want to have, and even if I acquire any of the kind sometime in the future you are the last person on that planet who will have it.
In connection whereof I may also ask you: what is your evidence and where have you proved that your approach of torturing people to extract fake phenomenology in order to misrepresent it and misinterpret it further can operate at all in the real world, and can give some fit for use results, and is securing prima facie evidence for whatever ... and is also safe and innocent? What evidence do you have that you know at all what you are doing and what you may cause?

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@Herald,

Wrong. I've stated plainly and in language simple enough for even you to understand that I have two claims:
1. You argument for your alien/ILF/god-thingy is rife with fallacies, such as the ongoing red herring, god-of-the-gaps fallacy, argumentum ad ignorantiam, etc. I have shown clear examples of each on multiple occasions.
2. You have shown no evidence for your alien/ILF/god-thingy. This is likewise demonstrable, since you continue to fail to provide any.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

You argument for your alien/ILF/god-thingy is rife with fallacies

Yes, it really is full of fallacies, but nether the 'aliens', nor the 'gaps' (that you have replaced recently by 'thingy' in order to avoid giving the definition) is 'my claim'.
Actually 'whatever of the gaps' is a logical statement and 'alien thingy' is an absolute retarded statement that nobody knows neither what it is supposed to mean, nor whether it means anything at all ... as 'logical argument'.

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@Herald,

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an absolute retarded statement that nobody knows neither what it is supposed to mean, nor whether it means anything at all

Like your original exposition on your 45%/30%/25% this, that and the other, self-contradictory, alien/ILF/god-thingy that teleports the design of the earth from billions of years ago, despite being extinct? Retarded like that? Incomprehensible like that?

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@Herald,

Let's discuss comprehensibility, shall we? Explain this ****:

Herald wrote:

... my personal are God or some meta-intelligence (string theory) or s.th.; 30% another ILF, sending the designs on the Earth even through some form of teleportation or another form of encoded communication (it might have extinct already by the time the information has came here), and perhaps 25% of the Big Bang and the theory that we are made out of star dust (whatever this might mean) and fused with the time by the Dark Energy and Dark Matter....

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

Like your original exposition on your 45%/30%/25% this, that and the other, self-contradictory

What is not clear - the assumptions of the Big Bang & God & the Creation of the Universe (if it has been created at all) are random variables with unknown (and hence probabilistic value). The claim that the Big Bang has created whatsoever cannot be accepted with belief of 100%, unless you exclude (by math prove of s.th.) all the other possibilities, and it doesn't matter whether it is 45% or 25% - it is still probabilistic and insufficient to be assigned full credentials.
BTW, the hypotheses about probable and improbable assumptions are not 'self-contradictory' as you are trying to misrepresent them - some of them could not really be mutually exclusive, but one cannot claim that unless it is proved.

FBM wrote:

alien/ILF/god-thingy that teleports the design of the earth from billions of years ago, despite being extinct?

being extinct... at present. Yes, purely hypothetically, if someone has done something billions years ago, and that something has come here to us in several billion years, there is no guarantee that the said someone has not become extinct onto the present day .... several billion years later. But this (who and how has sent the message, if this is the case) is the most uninteresting thing in the whole story, for much more interesting is whether the message itself is true or false, and whether it really concerns us or not.
Is it true that 'the money changers of the shrine' (& at the stock exchange) are able to destroy (onto the present day) our civilisation - true or false? Is it true that organising of the social relations by relying on greed and stupidity is not an idea of first brightness - true or false? Is it true that the resources of the planet are highly constrained and that no-one can afford to be irresponsible and to be that free to waste them superficially & to infinity - true of false? Is it true that the economic growth is actually our lest problem? Is it true that we are faced off a big trouble - with or without the interpretation 'of the aliens' - just say whether the statement is true or false?
.... and also is it true that the misinterpretation & misrepresentation of the things (you should not lie) is a road to nowhere ... and how will you comment the modality of the verb?

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@Herald,

What we need, you see, is evidence. Not word salads about hypothetical speculations and self-aggrandizing, feel-good fantasies. Evidence. Got any?

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

What we need, you see, is evidence.

You are not worst case scenario - you are absolutely helpless case ... of one-way communication without any feedback that is outperforming even the cases of autism.

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