Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

We've already discussed that at length. You're recycling the same old red herrings too many times. I know them all by name by now. Where's your evidence for the alien/ILF/god-thingies-of-the-gaps?

     No, why are you continuously trying to misrepresent everything. Where is your enumeration of the Gaps and the complete specification of your belief system ... your beliefs should be specified and completed up to 100%. Believing three zeros in whatever is not a belief system.

Irrelevant. Red herring. Managed to scrape up a single scrap of evidence for your magically teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingy that's just as good a cosmological hypothesis as all the accumulated work of all the scientists throughout the centuries? Why don't you want to win the Nobel Prize? You'd be rich and famous instantly.

     Why -the Gaps are your idea from the very beginning and the discussion of the personal beliefs is also your idea.

     You are very malicious person, aren't you, but you cannot hide to infinity your absolute ignorance behind some badly forged photos.
     Where is the enumeration of the Gaps and the complete specification (at 100%) of your belief system?
     So far you don't publish anything of your belief system, you have no moral or immoral right to ask anything about my beliefs - especially by misrepresentation of the things by some fake 'strawmen of the aliens'.

Like I've already said a few dozen times, I don't have a belief system. That's irrelevant to your claim that your invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/god-thingy-amalgamation is as "validly plausible" (your exact words) a cosmological model as is the current scientific model. What's at issue is that you've yet to provide even the slimmest support for your claim. Zip. Nada. Zero. Therefore, by your own reckoning on how much these two competing models can account for in the known universe:

Everything science has discovered...MAY BE the result of the work of gods. Everything that exists...MAY BE the result of the work of gods.

The fact that science has discovered things...is NOT evidence that there are no gods.

Lots of what Herald says is lacking. Almost everything you say in rebuttal is every bit as lacking.

But continue to ignore my comments. Doing so beats the hell out of having to acknowledge that you cannot meet my challenges any more than Herald can meet yours.

     Here you are absolutely right F. The fact that Science is observing something, does not necessarily mean that it has created it or it is able to create it. It does not even mean that Science will ever be able to interpret it properly.

That would be relevant if someone here were claiming to know that there were no gods. However, the fact is that someone here is claiming that there are alien/ILF/god-thingies teleporting the earth's design from billions of years ago. Naturally, one would be intellectually honest enough to present one's evidence for such an idea, but so far...

     This is just a hypothesis. What is your claim and understanding of the world? How will you explain the finite origin of you infinite ignorance, for example?

Thank you, Herald. And the fact that people like FBM are pretending they do not "believe" there are no gods...and who make the kinds of arguments with the kind of mocking ridicule they do during these pretenses...indicate a certain lack of character that is less appealing than that generated by the people they oppose.

His comment regarding "{t}hat would be relevant if someone here were claiming to know that there were no gods"...is kinda cute...but just a rhetorical trick.

I disagree with you...you understand that. And FBM is correct that many of your assertions are speculation and should be (but are not) presented as such. But his arguments are every bit as lacking...which is almost certainly the reason he treads so carefully with regard to whom he will engage in debate on the issues.

Yes, that's why I keep referring to it as a hypothesis. Y'all ain't got no dictionaries over thar? That's plum ignit.

     You are not doing anything of the kind. You are just plugging the thread with vitriol and spam, justified by your absolute inability to specify the Gaps ... and your own beliefs.

     'Engage in debate' - are you developing some special sense of humour or what? He is not performing any debate for he is absolutely incompetent to do so. All he can do is publishing to infinity a personally designed strawman ('aliens of the gaps'), repeating it like a broken record in the form of a 'question'. By this method any retard can perform any debate on any issue. This may be everything else but debate.

Do you even bother to read the posts in your very own thread? Keep repeating the same fallacies, and I'll point them out as we go. If you want any detailed "enumeration," then do your own thread-searching. While you're searching, try to dig up a little evidence for your invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/god-thing, eh? We could use a little of that about now.

     From time to time. What happened with the Gaps ... and your belief system?

The gaps were imaginary. You tried to make some up, but fell flat on your face. Where's your alien/ILF/god-thingies?

     ... and what is that 'imaginary gaps in science' supposed to mean?
     You were explicitly told that this issue will not be discussed with you unless you present your belief system. I can tell you what I have so far about your belief system.
     - Belief in God (and morality) - 0% (according to your own words);
     - Belief in the Big Bang (and science) - 0% (according to your own words); actually exactly that belief of yours is not 'the end of the world';
     - Belief in Scientism as a formula of success and cloudless way of easy-makering - 30%;
     - Belief in the misrepresentation and misinterpretation of the reality for the purposes of personal gain - 30%;
     - Belief in the aliens as inner self - 40% (for further details see some of the previous posts on this thread).
      ... and this is the Best Case Scenario.

The gaps are your numerous, fallacious, failed attempts to deny science in order to allow a universe in which your evidence-free, alien/ILF/g0d-thingy-of-the-gaps could somehow teleport the design for the earth from billions of years ago. So far, you're the only one who's so caught up in fantasy that you're denying the abundant evidence-based knowledge accumulated over the many centuries by level-headed people who aren't obsessed with daydreams.

You've already been instructed with regards to my lack of beliefs. Please turn your memory function on. Maybe you'll remember where you left that evidence for your invisible, teleporting alien/ILF/g0d-thingy.