Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@cicerone imposter,

adding another Ad Hominem?

Iam beginnig these people are evil! serious!

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@Quehoniaomath,

Yup; and factual.

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@cicerone imposter,

and yeeeesss another Ad Hominem.

Well it must be their hoby then , right?

No argument no nothing.

figures.

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@Herald,

I will answer your two questions and then you need to answer mine.

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explain what does matter with infinite temperature is supposed to mean

Infinite temperature means just what it says. The temperature is infinite which means that it is unmeasurable.

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how two gravitons and a half can have infinite gravitation

A graviton is a hypothetical particle. The math predicting gravitons show that they can have an infinite gravitational range.

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if we use the presentation skills of your fellow-BigBang-mambo-jumboists

Weren't you just arguing that the standard model has nothing to do with the big bang when I presented the math from that model? Now you are saying the opposite.

But, I await your math that shows it isn't infinite. I won't hold my breath.

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@Herald,

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Which particles (that fit in the size of the Singularity) are the material carrier of the 'ten trillion trillion hotter than the core of the Sun' temperature of the Singularity? Which particles are the material carrier of the 'infinite gravitation' that the Singularity is claiming to have acquired in the first Planck times after the Big Bang ... if not 'before!!!'? How can Nothing surrounding whatsoever create 'infinite pressure' on that Something (the Singularity in this case)? ... are 'ignorant opinions'.

This is where you show your ignorant opinion. You assume particles have to exist. As infinity occurs everything breaks down and is no longer predictable. You can't claim there are particles because you can't show any to exist. You keep making the same idiotic claim and you keep being told you are wrong and then you come back to make the same idiotic claim again and again and again without any support. When asked for support you simply repeat the same idiotic claims as if that is support for the idiotic claim you make.

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@parados,

Either a clown or an idiot.

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
After such a claim you will have to prove that [sic] the following questions: Which particles are the material carrier of your "personal 45%/50:50 god/ILF-of-the-gaps"?
The things are far too not the way your are trying to present them. You are trying to present yourself as a mega genius of seventh star magnitude, but cannot write a few words without having the appropriate (irrelevant) references for them.

I'm not the one saying that I know better than all the scientists in the whole world and can explain the universe better than anyone else. Laughing

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nbsp; You may think that you know everything, but you cannot explain how the two and a half gravitons fitting into your favorite Singularity can create infinite gravitation - 'ten trillion trillion times the gravitation' of Sagittarius A*, for example - 4.1 MN x M(.)?
If you are curious to know this 'ten trillion trillion times something huge enough to make an impression' is not even an approximation of the infinite gravitation/ temperature/pressure etc. the Big Bang 'theory' is claiming to have disposed with. This ''ten trillion trillion times something huge' is a visualization for retards to get some idea of the fame and glory of the Big Bang 'theory'. Where have you proved that infinite gravitation/ temperature/pressure can exist in the physical world? Where have you proved that the infinity of the math equations from the theoretical physics have any physical interpretation in the real world at all? The only infinite parameter with the Big Bang 'theory' beyond any doubt, however remains the infinite stupidity of its apologists.

You really don't have anything other than the "personal 45%/50:50 god/ILF-of-the-gaps" fallacy, do you? You seriously can't think of any other approach? Even after your fallacy has been pointed out in great detail?

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God of the gaps

Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.
—H.L. Mencken

The "god of the gaps" is a bit of theological reasoning which invokes divine intervention as a way to understand natural phenomena that science is presently unable to explain; since we don't know how x happens, it is assumed that Goddidit. Of course, scientists and most rationalists would argue that naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible.[1]

The god of the gaps is one way for intelligent and scientifically literate theists to deal with the cognitive dissonance of believing in a transcendent god.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

Doesn't matter whether it's a god or some unknown ILF. Same fallacy.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

This is where you show your ignorant opinion. You assume particles have to exist.

No, I assume that you should have had some rudimentary intelligence in order to start understanding that a temperature cannot exist just so, without any material carrier, the gravitation cannot exist just so without any material carrier, the light cannot exist just so without any material carrier, the electricity cannot exist just so without any material carrier - no matter whether finite or infinite.

parados wrote:

As infinity occurs everything breaks down and is no longer predictable.

As infinity occurs, everything goes - this is obvious, but even more obvious is that you don't have any evidence that Infinite Temperature can exist in the physical world at all; Infinite Gravitation can appear all of a sudden and 'out of nowhere' ... and without any material carrier.

parados wrote:

You keep making the same idiotic claim

...and which is that 'same idiotic claim': you don't have any evidence that any Infinite Temperature/Gravitation/Pressure have ever existed in the Singularity ... not to mention that you don't have any evidence of any Singularity having ever existed. Now you can prove that it is 'the same' and it is 'idiotic'.
You can never prove that Temperature/Gravitation/Pressure can exist without any material carrier ... let alone in some infinite state? Your Ignorance may be Infinite, but you cannot bullshitting the people around you to Infinity on the grounds of that, for the Infinite Speed in physics does not exist - no matter with or without particles. Your theory 'as infinity is undefined - everything goes' is without any justification and any reason ... and even without any reasonable ground to believe in such infinite nonsense - 'ten trillion trillion times greater than any nonsense' that will ever be able to be constructed.

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@Herald,

Herald, what does your indecisive, speculative and self-contradictory "personal 45% this, maybe 30% that and perhaps 25% the other" explain? In what way is it better than what scientists have come up with?

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@Herald,

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No, I assume that you should have had some rudimentary intelligence in order to start understanding that a temperature cannot exist just so, without any material carrier

What temperature exists? What is the precise temperature if it is infinite?

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Infinite Gravitation can appear all of a sudden and 'out of nowhere' ... and without any material carrier.

Really? Care to give us an example of this happening? First you will have to provide your evidence that the graviton exists. That would probably win you a nobel prize.

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you don't have any evidence that any Infinite Temperature/Gravitation/Pressure have ever existed in the Singularity ... not to mention that you don't have any evidence of any Singularity having ever existed.

So, you hold me to a standard you don't hold yourself to?
1. Infinite temperature can't be measured.
2. You have no evidence of gravitons existing in this world other than the math that you claim is wrong says they should exist. You can't argue both sides of the question without looking like a fool
3. You have no evidence that gravitons existed in the singularity even if they exist in this universe.
4. Define what infinite pressure is and how you measure it.

But it seems you skipped right over the post where I answered the questions you said you required answers to before you would answer my question. I answered your questions so now out of courtesy you are required to answer mine.
http://able2know.org/topic/226001-240#post-5874205
So, answer my question. Where is your math that shows it isn't infinite?

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@FBM,

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30% that and perhaps 25% the other" explain?

What you are talking about explanations - when you never explain anything. All that you 'explain' are some irrelevant references to another references that are trying to explain how much (95%) they their fake theory about the origin of the Universe can explain the 4% of the things (the known Universe) ... and they mention nothing about the other 96% of unknown matter & unknown energy, which percent IMV is even greater if we take into consideration that they have no idea of the assumptions (both of the known Universe & of the Unknown Universe).

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@parados,

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What temperature exists? What is the precise temperature if it is infinite?

What is Temperature, before that? In QMs the Temperature is the speed of the particles. You claim that the Singularity has had no particles and this is my 'ignorant statement' that I am repeating 'again and again'. O.K., prove that the Temperature can exist in the physical world without the speed of the particles (and without the particles, of course). Prove that the Infinite Temperature of your favorite 'theory' can exist - the particles can have infinite speed (in order to make the Infinite Temperature that you need in order to maintain the Big Bang 'theory').
Or perhaps now you will take to demolish the definition of the Quantum Mechanics of Temperature, or what?

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

FBM wrote:
30% that and perhaps 25% the other" explain?
What you are talking about explanations - when you never explain anything. All that you 'explain' are some irrelevant references to another references that are trying to explain how much (95%) they their fake theory about the origin of the Universe can explain the 4% of the things (the known Universe) ... and they mention nothing about the other 96% of unknown matter & unknown energy, which percent IMV is even greater if we take into consideration that they have no idea of the assumptions (both of the known Universe & of the Unknown Universe).

By your own (faulty) admission, the Standard Model explains 4% of the universe. How much does your "personal 45% a)b)c)d)/30% something else/25% something else" explain? 0%

Score: 4:0 and holding.

To be more realistic, though, science has explained untold millions of phenomena that speculative, magical, supernatural thinking could not. If there were a way to put an accurate number on the scorecard, the real score would be millions to zero.

You still haven't made up your mind about whether it's 45%/30%/25% or 50:50? You've made both claims, but now seem to be avoiding the question... Laughing

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@Herald,

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@Herald,

I see you have decided to ignore the question you said you would answer if I answered two questions of yours.

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@FBM,

Gee, you are getiing cheaper by the minute, mate!

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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Infinite Gravitation can appear all of a sudden and 'out of nowhere' ... and without any material carrier.
Really? Care to give us an example of this happening? First you will have to provide your evidence that the graviton exists. That would probably win you a nobel prize.

This misrepresentation is outperforming everything I have ever seen. The actual quote was:

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As infinity occurs, everything goes - this is obvious, but even more obvious is that you don't have any evidence that ... Infinite Gravitation can appear all of a sudden and 'out of nowhere' ... and without any material carrier.

IMV you are the one to be given the Nober Prize ... for Literature.

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What science does in the face of the unknown, rather than throwing up their hands and saying, "An invisible 45% a)b)c)d)/30% something else/25% the other thing (which somehow adds up to being 50:50 chance) did it!"

http://vms.fnal.gov/asset/detail?recid=1933069

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@Herald,

Misrpresenting?

Herald wrote:

You may think that you know everything, but you cannot explain how the two and a half gravitons fitting into your favorite Singularity can create infinite gravitation

http://able2know.org/topic/226001-239#post-5874138

Herald wrote:

parados wrote:
Give us your math that shows it wasn't infinite.
With the greatest pleasure - when you explain what does matter with infinite temperature is supposed to mean and how two gravitons and a half can have infinite gravitation - ten trillion trillion times the gravity of Sagittarius A* - if we use the presentation skills of your fellow-BigBang-mambo-jumboists.

http://able2know.org/topic/226001-239#post-5874145

First you bring up gravitons then you pretend you never did. This seems to be your standard MO.

Your second quote says you will answer my question and provide us with your math after I answer your question. I did answer it here.
http://able2know.org/topic/226001-240#post-5874205

But you have not followed through with your promise and provided an answer as you said you would. Perhaps you can now act like an honorable person and provide the answer you said you would. Provide your math.

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