Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@spendius,

Yeah. Never suggest that a person learn a topic before arguing it. It's more comical when you bluster about like an ass.

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@edgarblythe,

It's even more comical when they bluster about like an ass not knowing they are doing so.

I think I would have used "blunder". I don't think asses bluster. Not the ones I've seen at least. And they have been known to blunder.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

You stated that surface temperatures on this planet would reach 2000 C within a few centuries--

No, I said that the temperature of decomposition of CO2 is above 2500 deg. C and that within few decades CO2 will end up with us all ... but this does not mean that in few decades the surface temperature of the Earth will become 2000 deg C. Anyway.

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... English language ...

I at least write the personal pronoun in first person singular with capital letter ... unlike some other people who present themselves as professors in Medieval English.

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@Jpsy,

Jpsy wrote:

How can you claim evolution is false, when you know nothing about science, nothing about evolution, and nothing about the science of evolution. It drives me nuts. Get off the internet and read a book & don't come back on here until you've finished it!

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It drives me nuts.

Your personal perception could not be used as an argument in any discussion. Attaching any emotional attributes to a claim does not change the validity or invalidity of that claim or statement or whatever.
2. How did you come to know that 'I don't know anything about evolution'. Maybe I know more about evolution than you will ever be able to find online and offline ... I simply don't believe in it for it fails a lot of the verification and validations tests ... if you understand at all what I am talking about.
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Get off the Internet

- this is not a valid replication to a discussion & I am not going to comment it further.
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Read a book.

This is very interesting. Why don't you recommend me a book in evolution theory ... with verification and validation tests of the theory, for example.
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How can you claim evolution is false

If the evolution was true ... and valid as a theory, you should have evolved by that time of the discussion to an emotionless monster with reinforced concrete logic ... and nothing of the kind is observed on the event horizon for now. Anyway.

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@Herald,

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... I simply don't believe in it for it fails a lot of the verification and validations tests ...

I am dying to know which "tests" you speak of?

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recommend me a book in evolution theory ... with verification and validation tests of the theory

I will recommend a book TO YOU in which you can learn an understand the process by which research is carried out.
Its called YOUR INNER FISH by Neil Shubin.

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@farmerman,

It's not falsifiable fm.

How could it be falsified? It's just a description of what happened, when and where. At least Ovid offered a mechanism: spells, enchantments and magic wands. And that's not falsifiable either.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I will recommend a book TO YOU in which you can learn an understand the process by which research is carried out.
Its called YOUR INNER FISH by Neil Shubin.

Neil Shubin has a good YouTube video describing the discovery of Tiktaalik.

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@rosborne979,

That was an excellent presentation ros. Shubin's book is actually a much moe filling example of the power of predictability and evidence and the entire meaning of falsifiability.

EXCELLENT-I hope Herald watchs it .

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@spendius,

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It's not falsifiable fm.

How could it be falsified? It's just a description of what happened, when and where.

Obviously one of two things describe your post

1You hve no idea what the concept of falsifiability means or

2You read Shubin's book and forgot everything

If you just watch the youtube that ros posted you will see some of the basics of falsifiability in action

A. Finding a field site to "Test whether your assumptions are correct or not"

B Engaging in genetic testing with things like "knock out mice" where you can remove aspects of the developing genome to see wjat effects the knocking out of stages of the HOX genes can result in for the embryo.

C looking at the comparative Antomy and the relationships between the embryonic head features and seeing what they result in for several genera (fish to folk)

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@Herald,

Of coursei have never "presented myself as a professor in Medieval English ([sic]--there is no such thing as "Medieval English"). You keep repeating decades--i referred to centuries, because that is what you wrote in the post to which i refer. You also clearly stated that the surface temperature of the planet would exceed 2000 C. You can't even keep track of your own BS. What's more, for someone who is always sneering about doing the math, you apparently don't know the odds between a decade and a century.

It's not English from past times i have ever referred to--it's contemporary English in which you are often, and at critical moments, incoherent.

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@Herald,

So you don't know what the word replication means in English, huh? It's crappy writing like that to which i refer when in criticize your appallingly poor English.

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@Herald,

So you don't know what the word replication means in English, huh? It's crappy writing like that to which i refer when in criticize your appallingly poor English.

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@farmerman,

He said "pretty much all life on the planet". Where does "pretty much" come from. His voice dropped a little too on the phrase as if he didn't really want us to hear it.

His list of examples of life on the planet--"mumble, mumble, lizards, flies, worms, mumble" --was rather drear and unimaginative. It failed to include the high, the low, the rich, the poor, the master, the slave, the maid, the wife, the man, the child, the simple, the brave, the young, the old, the good, the bad, the warrior, the stout, the wise, the fool, the country clown, the learned and the lout.

I gave it up after that. It was a gig. For cash and other perks. Did he sign some of his books at the end. I bet they don't end up as collectible like the Bible stories have.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

EXCELLENT-I hope Herald watchs it .

Something tells me that's never going to happen. Smile

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@farmerman,

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B Engaging in genetic testing with things like "knock out mice" where you can remove aspects of the developing genome to see wjat effects the knocking out of stages of the HOX genes can result in for the embryo.

And the test interferes with the embryo. It's an embryo with its HOX gene knocked out.

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@spendius,

oy. Have another suds

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@farmerman,

Never mind that wimpy evasion fm. Is an embryo with its HOX gene knocked out an embryo? If it is not, as it obviously isn't, then it's not an embryo at all but an embryo with its HOX gene knocked out.

Studying your own experiment in other words. Not nature at all because in nature embryos don't have their HOX genes knocked out and if they did there would be no reason to knock them out.

Do you not understand Quantum Theory?

It is what's wrong with TV. It doesn't show people. It shows people on TV. Hence the popularity of what are known as "fly on the wall" videos.

And they are often faked as well. It's what Orwell was trying to get past in The Road to Wigan Pier.

You're doing pop-science fm. Face it. Spectacular effects in the service of a power grab.

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@spendius,

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Is an embryo with its HOX gene knocked out an embryo? If it is not, as it obviously isn't, then it's not an embryo at all but an embryo with its HOX gene knocked out

Please don't be acting the idiot. I said that to test the aspects of the development in those areas that the HOX genes are influential CAN BE TESTED by using soecifically grown embryos in which the exeriments are to remover or "knock out' a specific component of a component gene in the HOX sequence. Its also done with amphibians and other life forms (birds fish etc). If you cant get the significance of disallowing a gene to express itself and seeing what happens to the phenotype, I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

You are really avoiding the comment that you made earlier in which I accused you of an opinion without having read or not having remembered Shubins book. Which is it?

The rest of your pot is just the usual spendi drivel, lame and totally pointless.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

farmerman wrote:
EXCELLENT-I hope Herald watches it .

Something tells me that's never going to happen.

The evidences only prove that such evidences existed by that time ... and in this and this region ... and do not prove any causality. Where are the evidences for the causality, like for example that the Earth during the period concerned has been absolute closed system and nothing has entered ... or exit. Besides that the so called evidences do not prove that any of these things has happened by stochastic processes ... let alone driven by the doubly evolutionary GPRS navigation of the big bang.
Let me tell you what I observed ... on the TV the day before yesterday:
- Day 1: a container of quartz sand
- Day 2: shiny window getting out of the production line
- Day 3: broken window ... by some stone
- Day 4: scratch glass in a recycle bin
It became obvious that the big bang has somehow performed 'evolution of the glass' by means of the exhibited stone mechanics ... and hence it is doing so throughout the whole universe ... out of any doubt.

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@farmerman,

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You are really avoiding the comment that you made earlier in which I accused you of an opinion without having read or not having remembered Shubins book. Which is it?

I don't remember avoiding a comment I made earlier in which you accused me of anything. When it comes to avoidance you're the tops.

I had never heard of Shubin before yesterday.

Which of the components of a mousetrap would you knock out in order to study a mousetrap's workings?

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