Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

The moon rose last night between 6:30 and 7:00 p.m. Therefore, when i went outside a few minutes ago, it was just past the zenith, and it will, of course, set in a couple of hours.

There, i thought i'd introduce something of more interest than the mumb0-jumbo superstitions which Herald derives from his profound ignorance.

Heres ya moonrise table for 2013 for Niqgqrq Falls(I couldn't get it ta recognize Tranna, sorry)
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Location: W079 01, N43 06 Rise and Set for the Moon for 2013 U. S. Naval Observatory
Washington, DC 20392-5420
Eastern Standard Time


Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec.
Day Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set Rise Set
h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m h m
01 2129 0953 2345 0953 2246 0830 0936 0027 1046 0045 1307 0016 1407 0041 1546 0158 1630 0242 1603 0439 1601 0542 1552
02 2233 1020 1027 2355 0908 0054 1039 0106 1155 0113 1411 0048 1507 0127 1634 0255 1703 0344 1632 0547 1637 0651 1644
03 2338 1048 0054 1106 0952 0144 1146 0140 1303 0142 1513 0122 1605 0216 1717 0354 1734 0447 1701 0656 1718 0757 1744
04 1117 0203 1152 0101 1043 0227 1254 0211 1409 0213 1614 0200 1700 0309 1756 0455 1803 0551 1732 0805 1805 0857 1852
05 0046 1149 0309 1246 0203 1141 0305 1403 0241 1514 0245 1714 0243 1751 0406 1831 0557 1832 0658 1805 0912 1900 0949 2003
06 0156 1225 0410 1348 0258 1245 0338 1511 0309 1617 0321 1810 0330 1837 0504 1903 0700 1901 0806 1842 1013 2002 1034 2116
07 0307 1308 0505 1456 0346 1353 0408 1617 0339 1720 0400 1904 0421 1918 0604 1932 0805 1932 0914 1925 1108 2109 1113 2227
08 0417 1359 0552 1608 0428 1503 0438 1722 0410 1821 0445 1953 0515 1956 0704 2001 0910 2005 1020 2014 1155 2218 1147 2337
09 0524 1459 0632 1721 0504 1613 0507 1826 0443 1920 0533 2038 0612 2029 0806 2029 1017 2043 1123 2109 1235 2328 1219
10 0624 1607 0707 1833 0537 1723 0537 1929 0521 2016 0626 2118 0711 2059 0909 2057 1123 2126 1220 2211 1311 1249 0044
11 0717 1720 0739 1942 0607 1830 0609 2030 0602 2109 0721 2154 0810 2128 1013 2128 1228 2216 1311 2318 1344 0037 1320 0150
12 0801 1834 0809 2049 0637 1936 0644 2129 0648 2156 0818 2226 0911 2156 1118 2202 1329 2314 1355 1415 0145 1352 0254
13 0839 1947 0838 2155 0707 2041 0723 2224 0738 2239 0917 2255 1013 2223 1225 2241 1424 1434 0027 1445 0252 1427 0356
14 0912 2057 0908 2257 0738 2143 0806 2315 0832 2318 1017 2323 1116 2252 1331 2327 1513 0018 1509 0136 1517 0357 1504 0456
15 0941 2204 0939 2358 0811 2243 0854 0928 2352 1118 2351 1221 2324 1436 1556 0126 1541 0246 1550 0501 1546 0553
16 1010 2309 1013 0847 2340 0945 0001 1026 1221 1328 1537 0020 1635 0237 1613 0354 1626 0603 1632 0647
17 1038 1050 0057 0927 1040 0042 1126 0023 1327 0019 1436 0000 1632 0122 1709 0349 1644 0502 1706 0704 1722 0736
18 1108 0011 1132 0152 1012 0033 1138 0119 1227 0052 1434 0050 1545 0043 1720 0230 1742 0500 1717 0608 1750 0800 1815 0819
19 1139 0112 1218 0243 1101 0122 1237 0152 1331 0121 1545 0125 1650 0133 1802 0343 1814 0610 1751 0713 1838 0852 1911 0858
20 1214 0211 1310 0330 1154 0206 1339 0223 1437 0149 1656 0205 1751 0233 1839 0457 1846 0719 1829 0815 1929 0939 2008 0933
21 1252 0308 1405 0412 1251 0246 1443 0253 1545 0220 1806 0252 1844 0340 1913 0610 1919 0825 1911 0914 2023 1021 2105 1005
22 1336 0401 1504 0451 1351 0322 1549 0322 1656 0253 1910 0349 1930 0453 1945 0722 1955 0929 1956 1009 2119 1058 2204 1034
23 1425 0451 1605 0525 1453 0355 1658 0352 1809 0331 2008 0454 2009 0608 2017 0832 2035 1030 2046 1059 2217 1132 2303 1102
24 1518 0536 1709 0557 1557 0425 1809 0424 1921 0416 2057 0606 2044 0723 2049 0939 2117 1127 2138 1144 2315 1202 1129
25 1616 0617 1814 0627 1703 0455 1922 0500 2029 0509 2138 0720 2116 0835 2123 1043 2204 1219 2233 1224 1231 0003 1157
26 1716 0653 1920 0656 1810 0524 2034 0541 2129 0610 2214 0834 2147 0945 2159 1145 2255 1307 2330 1300 0014 1259 0106 1228
27 1818 0726 2027 0725 1920 0555 2143 0630 2221 0718 2247 0946 2218 1052 2239 1244 2348 1349 1332 0115 1327 0211 1302
28 1921 0756 2136 0756 2031 0629 2246 0726 2304 0830 2317 1055 2250 1156 2323 1338 1427 0028 1402 0218 1357 0318 1341
29 2025 0825 2143 0706 2340 0829 2342 0942 2346 1201 2323 1258 1428 0044 1502 0128 1431 0324 1430 0426 1427
30 2131 0853 2252 0749 0936 1053 1305 1357 0011 1513 0142 1533 0230 1500 0432 1508 0533 1522
31 2237 0922 2356 0839 0015 1201 0000 1453 0103 1554 0333 1529 0637 1626

Add one hour for daylight time, if and when in use.



NOTE: BLANK SPACES IN THE TABLE INDICATE THAT A RISING OR A SETTING DID NOT OCCUR DURING THAT 24 HR INTERVAL.
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See . . . i toll ya it was far more interesting than anything of that nonsense Herald is peddling . . .

Want me to run a copy of the R-5 SEPTA rail time table for 2014?

Thank fm. I'll bear it in mind.

Herald is a damn sight more interesting than Setanta will ever be. Which doesn't mean I agree with what life feeling he expresses.

Setanta's expressions of his life feeling, the substance of art, are too familiar to me after years in the pub putting up with the snidey and supercilious remarks of chaps when they sense that the barmaid is responding to my chit-chat more eagerly than any of them have been able to manage to get her to do.

It's all water off a greasy duck's back to me. Getting quick service on busy nights is what matters. It's a question of how understated you can do leering.

Those behaviourists can do nothing with rats. Behaviour should be studied in its natural setting and what can be more natural than a nice barmaid pulling pints of John Smith's Extra Smooth (Silk in a Glass) on a warm summer evening in a busy English pub and occasionally blowing her hair out of her eyes?

I think you allow Setanta too much slack just because he is a fellow atheist.

everyone wishes to make recommendations as to how I should conduct myself on the boards. Why do you tell me about your inabilities to communicate with another member. That's quite a cowardly way to act, and childish too. But you knew that, you do this just to try to give your life meaning, and we don't hoist you up enough.
If you have a problem with someone, TELL THEM for gooness sakes.

I have never put anybody on Ignore. I have never avoided reading any posts on a thread I contribute to. It is Setanta who refuses to communicate with me. I have no problem with him or with anybody else.

What on earth are you talking about? You have failed to communicate any answers to many questions put to you. You have not explained why evolution is not a stochastic process as you recently asserted emphatically it wasn't and you have not explained the evolutionary advantage truth has over faith which you were asked to the other day. You're the coward by your own definition as is Setanta and the others who use Ignore.

Am I the only one who does things to give life a little meaning? At least I'm not charging around in gas guzzlers to do it.

That's because, unlike you, most other people talk sense.

I had you on ignore also for about 6 months. Then I took you off and you've been (a skosh less) abusive and troll=like in your recent posts, but others still have you on ignore .I don't think set even uses ignore, maybe, like me, he thinks you often don't have anything to say other than your typical run-on prattle.

. Youre right, I do fail often to answer YOUR questions . My reason is that you don't really ask any questions, your questions are usually leading with some stupid self serving statement , for example
"I simply asked you for evidence of your anti-ID position?"
I don't have an "ANTI_ID" position. ID is almost a doctrinal case so I have no position one way or the other. Its not science(Ive told you that many times in the past and either your short term memory is fouled or you just like to hear yourself talk like you know of what you speak.

Yes I have, twice. Im not going to travel that road anymore with you or Herald since you both are, like gungasnake, conveniently forgetful on data, just so you can grind out another simple minded irrelevant question

I agreed with tou that I PREFER truth over faith, That was the note of the assertion you made. There was no "evolutionary advantage" posed (unless it was in some followup blurb that I just didn't take the time to read.

If by that you mean that you are predictably "festive" around 12PM EST each day, I suppose so. You should be proud of your life then spends. Don't question yourself all the time (no one really gives a ****-I learnt that quite early on A2K)

Diesel , not gas. My rigs guzzle diesel(of which more than half, we make ourselves, just for the meaningless fun of it.

I think intelligent A2Kers will know what to make of that example of a person marking his own exam papers.

Your putting me on Ignore had no effect. You have forgotten already the subject you raised. Who is a coward was the subject.

Set, it is obvious that you are not interested in this thread ... and that you are not welcome here ... what more do you expect to 'observe'?

FM, if you think that you are communicating with Set, you are deeply fooling yourself. He is using you simply as means to pour out his poisons at everybody who does not share his pathological misunderstanding of the world. Just tell him something crosswise to see what will happen with your 'communication abilities'.

Set and I have fought numerous times over subjects. Weve called each other all sorts of names but one thing he doesn't do,He does nnot abide bullshit. I , on the other hand, am much sweeter about how much bullshit I do abide before I get nasty. .
If you don't enjoy a little controversy, what can I say?
The reason Im patient with you is because I asked you to post this thread, so Im trying to remain magisterial.Otherwise Id be shouting at you also.
s I said to spendi , anytime you have a problem with a member, you should go to that member. Its cowardly posting "about" someone when theyr within earshot.

I don't need your welcome to post here. If you post horseshit such as that when CO2 goes into the atmosphere, it just stays there; or that the surface temperature of our planet will reach 2000 degrees C within a few centuries (that's more than four times, almost five times the surface temperatue of Venus)--you can expect someone to call bullshit. You consistently display profound ignorance, yet you continue to make such loony pronouncements. If you don't like it, get a mirror, then you'll be able to see who is to blame for it.

What is that supposed to mean. Setanta is within earshot. If you were at a table in a discussion and somebody put earphones on when certain others were making their points I very much doubt that you wouldn't make comments about it. It means that he only wants to be challenged by those he chooses to be challenged by. Those he can deal with.

And the subjects you claim to have fought over might well not have been as near the knuckle as this one is.

Part of it is processed back, but it is not enough so the surplus is accumulated in the air ... that is why it is continuously increasing as a concentration.


So and so it became obvious that you are top designer of straw-men, may I tell you something. The quote about the temperature of decomposition of the CO2 had as an idea to show how huge is the chemical potential energy stored in the CO2 and that it is not economically appropriate to process back CO2 artificially for actually this means energy loss ... unless we are forced by the circumstances to do so when the choice is either our standard of living or loss of profit.
This statement that the Earth will reach 2000 deg C surface temperature within few decades is your personal misinterpretation of the things.
If you are curious to know, an increase of 5 deg C in the average annual temperature of the globe would be enough to sent us in the Dimension X.

No straw men there--these are things you have posted here. You stated that surface temperatures on this planet would reach 2000 C within a few centuries--it was not anything i wrote. You specifically stated that when CO2 goes into the atmosphere, "it just stays there." Now you're sneering at me for pointing out that those two claims are bullsh*t and you are attempting to justify them after the fact. What is pathetic is that you so often sneer at people about doing the math. Your math depends on witless assumptions about energy interchanges, static conditions and wildly inaccurate predictions based on simple-minded imaginary graphs which rise continuously at 45 degress from left to right.

To date you have provided zero evidence for your loony claims, while providing abundant evidence that you are appallingly ignorant of the subjects about which you make your dire Chicken Little claims. Then, of course, there's that little problem of you appallingly inept use of the English language.

READ A DAMN BOOK ON EVOLUTION BY AN EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGIST. Seriously, people will spend there whole life on the internet debating something they know nothing about. How can you claim evolution is false, when you know nothing about science, nothing about evolution, and nothing about the science of evolution. It drives me nuts. Get off the internet and read a book & don't come back on here until you've finished it!

Herald is motivated by some whacky religious delusions. He's not going to follow your advice.

The internet evolves too. Reductions in the number of users causes, due to gearing or leverage, a greater percentage loss to the providers than the percentage drop in users.

So perhaps you should get off the internet if you are here to put it out of business.

BTW Jpsy--telling people that they know nothing about science, nothing about evolution, and nothing about the science of evolution, is not proof that you know anything about such matters.

It's a commonly used gambit.

The what, the when and the where tells us nothing about the nature of the changes or their derivation.