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Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 02:21 pm
@JTT,
Suit yourself JT.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 06:18 pm
@spendius,
Hmm, for some reason you seem without speech. Beer not agreeing with you?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 08:16 pm
@farmerman,
At least Spendius doesn't hide in ignore, Mr "Academic".
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 04:59 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Hmm, for some reason you seem without speech. Beer not agreeing with you?


There was nothing else to say. I had explained. JTT disagreed.

"Forgotten" requires no intensifier.

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 05:24 am
@spendius,
Did JTT accuse mammals of waging an illegal war against dinosaurs in a heartless campaign of interspecies genocide?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 06:30 am
@Setanta,
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Just more evidence--which wasn't needed--that philosophy (modern philosophy, since the rise of empirical, naturalistic science) has become little more than a set of word games.

Science in itself is a philosophy, and there's a particular scientific view at the core of any scientific theory. So even though science has displaced philosophy from certain levels and issues, it can't stand erect without philosophy butressing it.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 08:34 am
@Herald,
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(as you most probably have noticed, we are in the center of the universe subject to the assertions of the big bang theory that the red shift is equal in all directions).

That's funny. Funny in it's ignorance.

I'm curious what you think of the following. If I'm travelling 20 mph and you are travelling 40 mph which of us would see the other moving away faster? Which of us would be still at our starting point after one hour?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 09:14 am
@parados,
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Funny in it's ignorance.


Rolling Eyes
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 05:36 am
         http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/dnews-files-2013-11-ancient-spearhead-point-660x440-gallery-jpg.jpg

Interesting find from Ethiopia by a Berkely team. The only worrisome thing is the dating. The stratigraphy and "ash depo chronology" gives
this a date of about 300K (That's a bit like saying that Thomas Jefferson invented a Tommy Gun)

We may have to rethink our ancestors and "paleocousins" as more clever than weve given em credit for. The size of this suggests that, once hafted, this weapon was thrown , not jabbed like a NEanderthal spear.

The site adjoins an old lake bed that evidenced a long time stable population of H heidelbergensis.

Very clever guys. The Berkely team looked at ascribing a paleo "Steve Jobs" who spread this innovative point technology among his peers.
Its a unique find.
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Herald
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 12:31 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
we will have spectrophotometers and sensing equipment much more sensitive than what we have now

When is this 'will': in 1k years, in 1 BN years or when?

farmerman wrote:
What do you think about that?

What I am thinking is that you are collecting data and you do neither know what you have, nor where it is stored ... nor who is going to use it ... and for what. You have more data than you ever will be able to process.
The things that upgrade the data acquisition from simple data to value added information is the analysis and the logical inferences, the verification and validation, and not the simple collection.
Don't you think that perhaps you need a more powerful computer?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 12:48 pm
@Herald,
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When is this 'will': in 1k years, in 1 BN years or when?


Probably much earlier than another 20 years. We already have "large field" spectrophotometers and mass specs that can sense amino acids around star clusters and we just need to tweak the sensitivities and selectivities to be able to settle on specific isotopes .

We usually collect data in areas within which we already have ideas about what we should find. Its another way of testing "falsifiability"
We just launched an atmospheric satellite to Mars and we are seeking answers to questions about "is there any evidence of what happened to all the water on the planet? and if we can sense any differences in the chemistry of the remaining gases?

We have a lot of data but most of its being put to good use. Im sitting here in front of a little "Surface" which probably has more computing power than did ALL of the USGS when it made the "theory of Plate Tectonics" a household word
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:29 pm
@Herald,
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What I am thinking is that you are collecting data and you do neither know what you have, nor where it is stored ... nor who is going to use it ... and for what. You have more data than you ever will be able to process.
The things that upgrade the data acquisition from simple data to value added information is the analysis and the logical inferences, the verification and validation, and not the simple collection.
Don't you think that perhaps you need a more powerful computer?


Think of the jobs Herald. All with nice titles and pay and status validations to match. It's just an attempted infestation of the power structures coupled with a determination to prevent the poor getting and more of the wealth than is sufficient to keep them alive.

Of course they need more powerful computers. When ever will they not?

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:44 pm
@spendius,
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It's just an attempted infestation of the power structures coupled with a determination to prevent the poor getting and more of the wealth than is sufficient to keep them alive.


I thought that's what only the priesthood did.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 02:59 pm
@farmerman,
You thought wrong. See a recent post from ed on the quotations thread from Sterne. See Max Weber as well.

I often notice how much Christian music accompanies your lot's simulated theatricals. The motion is usually out of synch though. When ever I have seen a fly by Uranus it is much too quick. Viewers can't be expected to bear anything else. Or remember it for long.

Funny things are colour and movement.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 04:19 pm
@farmerman,
It should be borne in mind, fm, that the Scientifiacites are in roughly the same position that the early Church was. Centres vying for power each with its bishops, priests and interested laity: the latter sought proximity with power without having to abrogate the pleasures of the flesh. As their modern equivalents do when they avoid the long hours of grinding study.

Our modern Scientifiacites have their Nobels and their Professors each with a long title and a range of perquisites always at hand. Operating within a limited field. The pyramid has not been capped yet. The arguments are concerning the final touches. The base is solid with its pipette poppers and bottle washers and utility services. (Car park at the rear. Communal dunny).

The problem seems to me that communications are so much faster now than they were then, it taking weeks to get a signal from Alexandria to Damascus, if it got through at all, or it being revised on the journey, and we might end up with Scientifiacites up our arses before we notice they have arrived: such unguent lubricants they have at their disposal. ci and ros don't even know its up them.

And once arrived the Alphaville catastrophe is the only hope. I use "catastrophe" in the theatrical sense.

Have you seen Alphaville?

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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 04:30 pm
@spendius,
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I have seen a fly by Uranus

Your head is still up Uranus
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 05:49 pm
@farmerman,
How very predictable.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 05:58 pm
@farmerman,
Did you know that Uranus is the only planet whose name is derived from a figure from Greek mythology rather than Roman mythology.

A Roman joke I presume.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 07:34 pm
@spendius,
while the very word "planet" is from the Greek meaning "Hobo"

I suppose we can all thank Edmund Herschel since he discovered Uranus
Oh his first name wasn't Edmund, it was Fred
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Herald
 
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Reply Tue 19 Nov, 2013 11:37 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Think of the jobs Herald.

What I am thinking is that the way the public money is spent is strongly distorted ... and lacks any priorities (BTW incl. the money of the Church as well).
It is obvious that there is no money for everything, but the thing that is not entirely obvious is how to find which are the most pressing problems, and to concentrate the efforts there.
Everything is turned upside down, including the concealing of key information and data ... and data analysis and reports.
Thus for example nobody can explain why the petrol industry is still subsidized (as there are a lot of evidences that it is a 'dead-end street') and key technological developments in RESs are sent in the Dimension X, sinking gradually in the administration.
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