Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@Herald,

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1. Bullshit is a noun, not a verb. You cannot say I bullshit for it is invalid as grammar.

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bull·****
[bool-****] Show IPA Slang: Vulgar.
noun
1.
nonsense, lies, or exaggeration.
verb (used with object), bull·****·ted or bull·****, bull·****·ting.
2.
to lie or exaggerate to.
verb (used without object), bull·****·ted or bull·****, bull·****·ting.
3.
to speak lies or nonsense.

It seems not only do you bullshit but you are full of bullshit.

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@parados,

his English skills didn't allow for my typos. I don't want to get Herald all po'D for an attempt at humor . Lordy knows we need more of that.

Im more mazed at, despite his pronouncements of his science savvy, he didn't know about amino acids in DNA, He wanted me to "prove it by some kind of equation". I think hes obsessed with math being the only way we can evidence stuff. "MATHTURBATION", sozobe's husband used to call it.

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@Herald,

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You have noticed rightly. I will not only not answer your questions, but if you are curious to know I even haven'd read them ... because I don't see any point.

Is that because you are unable? then just admit that you are floundering in the pool of knowledge. If you have an above average IQ as you state, you should be able to , at least, superficially understand the direction of my questions but come up with some attempts at slippry answers.

ID given you a way to account for an "APPARENT" creationist viewpoint for how organisms all appear the same (that being convergent evolution ), yet you have a "gifty" in this discussion nd you don't seem to be able to pick it up and run> HMMM, Im hving some doubts, (As a teacher, I get all kinds of kids who swear to me that they are quite intelligent but don't seem to be too quick on the draw)

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By claiming that you are outstanding scientist, you should not rely too much on your feelings, but rather on your rational assessments ... for otherwise you may end up some day as a Jedi Master (owing to the currently ongoing evolution).

Where have I ever claimed I was an outstanding scientist or teacher. Ive claimed I was a scientist and teacher, that's all. SO Id say you are a prevaricator and a rumskullion pile of codswallop. And that's about as geschpooken as I can get when I come up against a liar as you..

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I wished I had your conceit. Your 'knowledge' is exclusively contribution only to the logical fallacies, and in this respect it is threatening only the math logic.

wow, That sentence sounds like a random phrase generator gone nuts.

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How did you find out that your knowledge is objective ... and simultaneously yours?

this one too.

My "conceit" is a displeasure and the hootzpah of the Creationissts and the IDers trying to have the rest of the world believe that their worldview is scientifically valid and evidenced nd repeatable.
Its not conceit, its real concern about how further down we must take our education system. We have enough problems with teachers who cant teach, administrators who are only interested in salaries and benefits, and schoolboards with political/ religious agendas.

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@farmerman,

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Is that because you are unable?

Actually yes, I am unable to answer to such pseudoanswers to the issues, which pseudoanswers are presented as top design science and perhaps are dealing with beating out of personal complexes.

farmerman wrote:

Ive claimed I was a scientist and teacher, that's all.

This is obvious from your spelling skills ... and ability to stay focused in a discussion.
I don't know what your subject matter (of teaching and research) has been ... and I don't want to know, but haven't you considered the option of updating and upgrading your 'objective' knowledge at some time of your monologue performances.

farmerman wrote:

My "conceit" is a displeasure and the hootzpah of the Creationissts and the IDers trying to have the rest of the world believe that their worldview is scientifically valid

Nobody is trying to make you believe in whatever. Actually I doubt that you are able to believe in anything ... else, besides in your conceit.

farmerman wrote:

Its not conceit, its real concern about how further down we must take our education system.

By observing your personal 'education system' I doubt that any education system can go down any further. Anyway.

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@Herald,

are you now evacuated of all your hate ?

Whats a "pseudoanswer"

is that like a pseudogene? (something that doesn't do anything?)

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@farmerman,

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Whats a "pseudoanswer"

Pseudoanswer is some text, presented as an answer to an issue. It looks like an answer, complies with the formal requirements for an answer, but has nothing to do with the intensions to provide some answer for the purposes of solving an issue. Actually it serves very different objectives .... like for example reinforcing conceit or amending other personal problems.
May we get back to the topic.
You are a great scientist, aren't you? You can explain everything without any problems, can't you? Can you explain the phenomenology of octopus Paul, for example? What is the brainwashing mechanics standing behind all these predictions?
Well, you don't believe that there is God or any deity - it's O.K., but can you explain how do the predictions work ... how does that happen? Obviously there is something more than simple chemistry, rocks of the right type, and bio-polymers ... to be printed by laser. Pay attention that this is not simple intelligence ... it looks like suggestology and/or psychotronics.

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@Herald,

I would love to submit to the comforting mindless acceptance of a God. The concept allows us to feel warm and cuddly in the overstuffed leather chair of eternal certainty.

However, sadly,I cant do that. It makes no sense to me and bears no logic .

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You are a great scientist, aren't you?

Im a not so gret scientist. I weigh about 210 pounds and Im jut at 6 feet so I am a bit portly, but that's not SO GREAT.

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suggestology

sorta like pseudoanswers eh?

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@farmerman,

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octopus Paul

I have to tell you that I was totally clueless about Paul. I looked him up and then it made sense why Google had this stupid cartoon octopus with a beret in its World Cup logo.

I assume that Paul can pick a bunch of winners by some octopussian ESP. A few years ago, one of our English members picked the majority winners on our annual NFL pick-em game and hes sorta like our prognoctopus. There used to be a chicken that did the same for US college football. Its all entertainment so Im sure they fake the picks or make an assortment of pick cards and only pick the ones that work out.

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@farmerman,

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The concept allows us to feel warm and cuddly in the overstuffed leather chair of eternal certainty.

However, sadly,I cant do that. It makes no sense to me and bears no logic .

The mating call of the die-hard masochist.

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I weigh about 210 pounds and Im jut at 6 feet

I'm 6 ft. and fm's carrying about everywhere he goes about 56lbs more cellulite that I am. So him being a bit slow is not a surprise.

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@farmerman,

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A few years ago, one of our English members picked the majority winners on our annual NFL pick-em game and hes sorta like our prognoctopus.

That was me folks. I won the A2K Pick-um game two years running. . Against 20 odd Yanks some of whom got shirty about it.

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@spendius,

see, so why get all excited about a lucky octopus .

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

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... octopus Paul
I have to tell you that I was totally clueless about Paul.

This is obvious - you don't recognize the operation of the intelligence (at least our own), and the processes that are happening as a result of its operation (intelligent design), ontology, etc.
I was wondering only why you use past tense.

farmerman wrote:

I assume that Paul can pick a bunch of winners by some octopussian ESP.

FM, you are great – everything is so easy to explain at your level of understanding of the world ... and explaining the things superficially.
In any case I doubt that it is extrasensory perception. The boxes have been full of food ... and it had nothing to do with the football matches. No correlation at all.
IMV the octopus had simply chosen 'the better flag' (the one that is more beautifully designed, has 'better' colors that would suggest coral reef food habitat with good food in it ... in other words the one with the 'better food chances' in the box chosen on the grounds of the external design).
Actually there is super-weak correlation there – that a nation that is more ambitious, has has more dignity, persists on its world reputation, etc. would have a better (designed) flag – and would fight for more prestige, to win the football matches for example.
So, what happens next? We have a prediction (P), which is almost stochastic, or at least with no direct correlation to the events it is predicting (E) (for billion of people - the spectators at the stadium, on the TV, etc. - it is not only for the 22 football players + the 5 football referees) and somehow P(E, B) comes true. I was asking exactly about that P(E,B).
The only plausible explanation that I have come across so far is that P manipulates somehow B in terms of E. There is psychic pressure and mental attitude (A) created as a result of P, and if the A(B) is enough, E comes true. It is not the Octopus Paul that is manipulating the games - it is the superstitions of the mob that execute the prediction. Everything depends on that how far would you trust the next 'extrasensory' octopus.
... and the next question is: if we don't have the Christian religion for example (which is a relatively harmless form of superstitions) can you guarantee that its place in our mind will not be taken by the next 'extrasensory' octopus ... that might have the ambition to predict not only the football games ... but to explain also the 'creation' of the universe through evolution (of any kind) and to pretend to be the best 'explanation'?
In other words can you warrant that this place there will stay for long in vacuum and zero-gravity ... and what would be the eventual effect of this?

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@Herald,

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I was wondering only why you use past tense.

Actually you were wondering why I "Only " use past tense.

I think that you've really given PAul a lot of thought. Perhaps you should find someone who actually gives a **** with whom to discuss your Paulean Picks. I find soccer kinda boring, I could finish n ntire meal before anyone even takes a shot on goal.

PS I thnk you, saying my views are "Simply read" you've actually paid an old teacher a great compliment. It is what Ive tried to reach for these many years."Ive tried to make my explanations and communication with students, as approachable as I could. Sort of Like we were having talk over the back fence.
its really quite easy to pepper discussions with jrgon and gibberish nd Im accused of doing that when I give people credit for being smarter thn they may be.

I wont make that mistake with you again.

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@farmerman,

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Actually you were wondering why I "Only " use past tense.

The phrase on your side was '... I was totally clueless' which suggests that in the beginning you have been agnostic (about Paul), and after that (onto the time of writing the comment) you know almost everything about the whole process of predictions and extrasensory octopuses and superstitions ... and the Christian religion. You are talking like that - it is not me.

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... I give people credit for being smarter thn they may be.

FM, the IQ of a person is fixed for many years on end, it is subjective state of the mind ... and does not depend on your credit cards ... and your assessment of the things 'on the back fence'.
I understand you. With the self-esteem and the self-assurance that you have you are thinking that you can teach anybody on anything – no matter whether it is true or not, and whether this 'objective' knowledge is valid any more or has been totally upgraded and updated in the recent years.

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I wont make that mistake with you again.

Everything is just fine, and the only problem now is to specify what was the mistake ... and whose.

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@farmerman,

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see, so why get all excited about a lucky octopus .

Luck had nothing to do with my two Pick-um titles. It was pure science which is why you couldn't understand it.

I tried to introduce more luck but got shouted down.

It's your usual trick fm. You know viewers here are not going to check so you blurt out lies trusting them to believe you. Which is to say you thinking them all saps.

How could luck be involved in predicting over 500 NFL results over 2 seasons better than anybody else. The game was flawed.

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@farmerman,

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I find soccer kinda boring, I could finish n ntire meal before anyone even takes a shot on goal.

That is simply because of sound defence and the game not being rigged in taking turns with possession of the ball as NFL is in order to provide Yanks with the thrill of "scoring" and vicarious strutting opportunities.

I'm guessing when I say that in last night's game between Croatia and Cameroon there were 500 turnovers.

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@spendius,

Ill take your word for it.
We yanks are an impetuous lot. Thats why we make our plants produce twice as many veggies in half the time. We are easily bored with all the crop tending .

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@spendius,

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Luck had nothing to do with my two Pick-um titles.

Noone has ever confused you with a lucky octopus. I hear that you never get lucky.

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@farmerman,

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Thats why we make our plants produce twice as many veggies in half the time.

Twice as many because they are GMO. The quantity doesn't matter ... when the quality is reduced to 'ground zero'. It is obvious that you don't understand too much of football matches - why do you struggle at all to comment them.
Back to the topic.
I asked you that once, and I am going to ask that same thing second time: why can't the GMO products reproduce further, why can't they germinate? FM, you pretend to know everything about genetics why don't you explain this observation to us, the simple mortal? You have everything that you are fond of - chemistry, polymers, conceit ... why doesn't that happen? Why can't the GMO germinate?
Do you know why - because you are missing the point, because you are missing the indirect evidences that genetics is much more than it may look like. There are implicit processes of encoding the future development that are discontinued when the two parts of the vegetables are cut off and reassembled to make the GMO anomaly ... and the next question is: How can I expect from a vegetable that cannot germinate from its own seeds to set right my metabolism and to run it into brilliant operation?

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@Herald,

Might I say as politely as I can. You've said that YOU WOULD NOT ANSWER ANYTHING IVE ASKED NOR HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE QUESTIONS>
SO, **** YOU you little "IT dweeb". Go find someone who will patiently put up with your inane nonsense, neologisms, and your "Play" at even making believe that you understand what you say.(YOU gave yourself away back a bit when you admittedly had no idea about the types of amino acids and nucleotides in DNA, and then asked me to "Prove it with some math" ). You are as much a dipshit as Quahog
Im patient, Im a retired college teacher, but Im not an idiot.

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