Intelligent Design vs. Casino Universe

@farmerman,

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I hear that you never get lucky.

Lucky was a long-standing nick-name of mine. If I fell in a shithole I would come up with a shilling somebody accused me of once.

You listen to the wrong sources. You hear only what you need to hear.

I heard from you that you're a very unlucky, baldy-headed tub of lard who is only in it for the dough. And has an ugly dog.

But I consider us all unlucky. Good luck is nothing but having less bad luck than most. Which is not difficult where I live.

I never met a man whose sense of his own importance did not become adequately devoloped after he had held a teaching post for a year or two.

You're so full of ****,fm, there's no room to get anymore in. A veritable Augean stable that Hercules would have despaired of.

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@spendius,

do you realize that, when you have a focus to your writing, you do less of the addly paddly ADD stuff. I congratulate you for mostly staying on point and without a lot of run-on sentences.
Must be like folks who stutter, they can sing without a flaw. When you get back into insult mode, you tend to be less spndi like.

If old Herc had a Bobcat, nobody'd have written about that task as anything other than a weekend gig.

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@farmerman,

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Thats why we make our plants produce twice as many veggies in half the time.

Only by modifying plants to fatten up on oil based fertiliser. If virgin soil was endless you would still be heading west.

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@spendius,

and if ships could have been made of clay you limey bastids wouldn't have tried to rape our woodlands

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@farmerman,

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YOU WOULD NOT ANSWER ANYTHING IVE ASKED NOR HAVE YOU EVEN READ THE QUESTIONS

I didn't say exactly that ... and exactly in that way. If you have understood something else it is not my problem.

Instead of struggling to make polite forms, why don't you simply ask 'why'?
Why do I think that you actually don't answer to any questions but are exploiting the occasions to construct some polite forms that are solving some para-personal problems instead of focusing on the forum?

99.9% of the time you deal with some side issues ... without saying anything in essence on the theme.

farmerman wrote:

YOU gave yourself away back a bit when you admittedly had no idea about the types of amino acids and nucleotides in DNA, and then asked me to "Prove it with some math"

O.K. if you don't like the math - prove it with some fine arts, if you wish, but just prove it.
Do you know why the GMO cannot germinate or we have to make a new blog ... on fundamentals of philosophy ... and the sunrise of the 'brain chewing gum'?

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@Herald,

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You have noticed rightly. I will not only not answer your questions, but if you are curious to know I even haven'd read them ... because I don't see any point.

This was your statement. I see no reason to continue with you. You should go nd fellte Quahog, you nd he think alike (in that neither thinks much at all)

PS I run a farm and your knowledge of GMO's is abundantly naive. GMO seeds are NOT sterile unless the mfr "makes them so" by adding a terminator. MOST GMO seed is viable but as hybrids, will probably not come back as "true" in the F1 nf F2 generation. Like a Hrdy einberg cross, GMO will come back s mostly "Parent" plants but maybe 10% oir less will come back true. Where the hell do you think we get GMO "seed" from?? Creation?

Seed companies don't want farmers to "Save seed" so they exact penalties( or they try).

Now go away and bother Quahog, like you, he too believes myth and bullshit

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@Herald,

IT would be impossible to prove anything with math to you Herald. If you don't know what the numbers represent you wouldn't believe the math.

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Do you know why the GMO cannot germinate or we have to make a new blog

If GMO can't germinate then there would be no issue about GMO crops because they wouldn't grow to begin with. Perhaps you need to rephrase that statement to one that makes sense.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

the manufacturer "makes them so" by adding a terminator

No comment ... what could be expected from the marriage of science to criminogenetics.

farmerman wrote:

MOST GMO seed is viable but as hybrids, will probably not come back as "true" in the F1 nf F2 generation.

It doesn't matter whether they are viable or semi-viable - it is all the same, you are not aware with the processes underlying the genetics. Besides that the GMOs are made from other readily available genetic material - they are not made from scratch.
Why don't you try to make some maize grains from scratch (from Higgs bozons or something) to see how far you are from understanding the mechanics driving the genetics ... and life.

farmerman wrote:

Where the hell do you think we get GMO "seed" from?? Creation?

In any case it is not from evolution. Actually this a is very interesting question, and I would like to know that answer as well.
IMV the GMO seeds could be everything else but evolution and natural selection.
     1. They are designed in a laboratory and in controlled environment.
     2. Their design is based on our knowledge (it is virtually an Intelligent Design)
     3. The GMO cannot develop and cannot propagate without the ID set in it ... or afterwords.
How did you find out that the GMOs are evolution and natural selection? The phenomenology is nothing without the proper analysis of the processes and explanation of the observations, so in any case scenario you will most probably need math logic ... as a minimum.

farmerman wrote:

... he too believes myth and bullshit

If you really thing that claiming that the GMO seeds are a masterpiece of the evolution is not both ... think again.

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@Herald,

I know waaay more about GM seeds than you. All you know is what you've been reading in Google these last few days as you try to pddle upstream by not looking like a complete idiot. SO by accusing me of "not knowing" you further compound your own stupidity. Ive been farming longer than Ive been a geologit. Ive hqd some of my own fields used as test plots for seed research both GMO nd hybridization by artificial selection (Seems you've strayed into another are of discussion for which you are not prepared)

WHY NOT just sign out or else answer my damned questions.

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@Herald,

I know waaay more about GM seeds than you. All you know is what you've been reading in Google these last few days as you try to pddle upstream by not looking like a complete idiot. SO by accusing me of "not knowing" you further compound your own stupidity. Ive been in farming longer than Ive been a geologist. Ive had some of my own fields used as test plots for seed research both GMO and hybridization by artificial selection (Seems you've strayed into another area of discussion for which you are not prepared)

WHY NOT just sign out or else answer my damned questions.

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@Herald,

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semi-viable

If I could make a list of the semi moronic words you've neologized just in this thread alone.

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@farmerman,

BTW, Roundup Ready (glyphosate or glyphosinate resistant grins) ARE NOT GMO, they are actually an artificial selection. Bt 9erworm resistant) nd Bs(drought reistant) corns ARE GMO, and are mde by inserting "patented genes" into a specific area of the seedplant genome (DO YOU KNOW WHERE?) This should be easy of you are really as knowledgeable as you state you are. OTHERWISE, just bag it in and go home.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

All you know is what you've been reading in Google

... and it is not little - the 'written in Google' I mean.

farmerman wrote:

SO by accusing me of "not knowing" you further compound your own stupidity.

FM, you are not the case of 'not knowing'. You cannot understand what you don't know even when somebody from outside' is telling it to you in 'direct memory access' - this is the worst case scenario of agnosticism. Why don't you simply confess it?

farmerman wrote:

Seems you've strayed into another are of discussion for which you are not prepared.

No one disputes your agricultural skills ... and abilities to make money from GMOs at the expense of the misfortune of the consumers of that GMOs.

farmerman wrote:

WHY NOT just sign out or else answer my damned questions.

When somebody misses real arguments he starts looking for alternative compensatory ways to deal with the (virtual) problems.
Do you have anything to add in defense of evolution or not?

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@Herald,

How can fm defend evolution when he's scared to admit that we are machines and that monogamy is anathema to evolution and produces an inbred race of chinless wonders.

Both things Darwin wouldn't admit despite Descartes, Julien Offray de La Mettrie and The Marquis de Sade having smoothed his path. Darwin flanneled it away with a bit of sweet-talk.

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@Herald,

whatever dude. Turn this thread into a personal circle jerk I care not. Youre not worth any more .

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

whatever dude. Turn this thread into a personal circle jerk I care not. Youre not worth any more .

FM, I wished I had your conceit.
1. This thread is not about you - O.K. you proposed to open it, but it does not concern your participation and non-participation ... and exiting, at any subsequent moment.
2. You have no evidences that there is any correlation between your 'objective' knowledge and the main theme, which might be: no matter what you may think and how long you have been teaching evolution, what matters is what you have found in the end ... and whether you will publish it in a book, or leave to see how the others will continue wandering in the black woods of science.
3. One cannot initiate a dispute and exit in the middle, just so, to continue outside with the GMO vicious practices, just because they provide opportunity to make fast and easy money.
4. Why don't you confess that you are not bored, but have no more arguments in defense of your favourite evolutionary understanding of the world.
5. You cannot deny the existence of ID - there is at least one instance of it, which is indisputable.
6. You are a free man in a free world (or at least we all think it is so), and you can enter and exit whenever you like. It is not obligatory to make performances and show programs out of this: Shakespeare has had problems - problems have I as well. O.K.

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@Herald,

You don't understand simple courtesy in a debate. If I continually answer your questions and then you react by not answering any of mine. That is telling me that you just want to be the only one heard.

not interested. IM NOT exiting, Im reacting in disgust at your density.

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@Herald,

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You cannot deny the existence of ID - there is at least one instance of it,

and that is?

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Why don't you confess that you are not bored, but have no more arguments in defense of your favourite evolutionary understanding [ quote] I have many more arguments, butyou , by virtue of NOT answering my several questions, are therefore showing me that youre really afraid to engage me. SO what's left for me to do ?

You've been just babbling crap and every time I ask you to explain something more in dept, you refuse. Stop being a coward. Otherwise your just like that other idiot who just yells a mantra and posts Creationist crap

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@farmerman,

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and that is?

Your personal intelligence. Everything you make in your life - building a house, repairing the jeep, making blogs on the net, etc. is immediate result of your intelligence.
This means that the use of the intelligence to create things (incl. GMOs) and to change the world is at least virtually possible.
You don't have any proof that the evolution is possible, that species left on autopilot with the time will make some new species. Where is the proof of this?

farmerman wrote:

... who just yells a mantra and posts Creationist crap

FM, ID is possible in the real world. You cannot call a crap something that is possible.

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@Herald,

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FM, ID is possiblle in the physical world. You cannot call crap something that is possible.

Well, he can! fm is a learned scholar who isn't dumbed down by his science teachers Wink

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