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So? Will you be boycotting Ender's Game?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 09:15 am
Card has a perfect right to express his nut-bag opinions, up to the point at which he attempts to interfere in the legal marriage of a homosexual couple. At that time, they should take him out back and whack his pee-pee, and then toss him in a cell for a couple of years with Bubba, the accidental homosexual. By the same token, anyone has a perfect right to express their opinion that Card is a nut-bag, and to call for a boycott of this motion picutre, up to the point at which he attempts to interfere with someone going to see the movie. At that time, they should take him out back and whack his pee-pee, and then throw him in a cell with Franz, the obsessional skin head for a couple of years. (Of course, it it's a gay boy who is into rough trade, he and Franz might get along famously--you never know.)
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 09:20 am
@Mame,
Quote:
I am pretty much an anti-authoritarian, so I don't like being told what to do, whether it's by the government or some petty bully group telling me I should be PC (or pro-gay) and boycott a movie or pasta-maker because of the way someone thinks.

My feelings entirely, yet last time i checked, circulating a petition was not a crime. It can be overdone or bizarre, like the Barila story which I found slightly ridiculous, but it's fine with me if some people want to circulate a petition or boycott someone.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 12:46 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

tsarstepan wrote:

Well considering you and Chai are not likely to be in a given minority where as large vocal groups are spending millions and millions of dollars in order to get your own life and lifestyle made into a permanent crime statute? I can see why you just don't care about what an author like Orson Scott Card does with his personal fortune.


I have no idea what you meant by the bolded bits. Permanent crime statute? What? And what is he doing with his own personal fortune?

From what I read in your second link, he's just against same-sex marriage. Why is that wrong? Can't he have his own beliefs?


Here is the quote from the Telegraph article that mentions how Card wants to criminalize homosexuality:

Quote:
In an essay from 1990 that he has since tried to repudiate, he called for laws criminalising homosexuality "to remain on the books … to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's rules of sexual behaviour cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society". He now says critics of that essay "ignore the context" of its publication in a Mormon magazine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/10401422/Enders-Game-will-the-film-be-derailed-by-the-authors-homophobia.html
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 01:16 pm
@Kolyo,
Shouldn't that say, wanted to criminalize?
contrex
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 01:27 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Shouldn't that say, wanted to criminalize?


Being a British newspaper, shouldn't it say "wanted to criminalise"?
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Thu 31 Oct, 2013 06:20 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
From what I read in your second link, he's just against same-sex marriage. Why is that wrong? Can't he have his own beliefs?


What's the difference? Do you agree with his position?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 12:09 am
@IRFRANK,
That wasn't my quote but I'll take a swing. No I don't support his position. I'm indifferent to same-sex marriage. I see no reason why they can't be just as miserable as the rest of us.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 01:08 am
@Kolyo,
Kolyo wrote:
Here is the quote from the Telegraph article that mentions how Card wants to criminalize homosexuality:
Card wrote:
In an essay from 1990 that he has since tried to repudiate,
he called for laws criminalising homosexuality "to remain on the books …
to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's rules
of sexual behaviour cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable,
equal citizens within that society". He now says critics of that essay
"ignore the context" of its publication in a Mormon magazine.

FOR THE RECORD: just to be clear on this,
tho I remain firm in my favoring support of free speech
over boycotts whose goal is to promote stifling ourselves in timid self-censorship,
I wanna reject the filosofy attributed to Mr. Card and exhibited
in the nested quote. I choose to support a libertarian vu
toward the freedom of homosexuals to be themselves, emotionally,
and in contemplation of their expressed fervent desire that we
recognize their marriages, I believe that we shud accomodate them,
the better to make them happy. Y not? Life is too short;
u might as well cram as much happiness for everyone into it as possible.

Qua what Mr. Card purportedly said of "society's rules
of sexual behaviour", I advocate that each of the 3OO,OOO,OOO+
of us, say: "screw society; we 'll do what we damn please."
No one needs a government to tell us what to feel
nor how to act upon it, as long as it is consensual.





David
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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 08:27 am
@Baldimo,
My mistake.
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 08:49 am
@IRFRANK,
I said that, and I feel the same as Baldimo. Indifferent.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Fri 1 Nov, 2013 02:13 pm
FYI, from this morning's NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/movies/enders-game-with-harrison-ford-and-asa-butterfield.html?src=portal_starbucks1&_r=0
panzade
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2013 09:57 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
I see no reason why they can't be just as miserable as the rest of us.

<chortle>

I guess I'll boycott the movie due to indifference
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 3 Nov, 2013 04:22 pm
Boycott if you will.

I "boycott" Roman Polanski movies to the extent that I will never watch one, let alone pay for a ticket to do so.

So what?

What is the compulsion to announce one's decision to "boycott?"

rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 4 Nov, 2013 04:42 am
I saw Ender's Game yesterday and enjoyed it quite a bit, but I also read the book years ago and understood the nuance behind many of the scenes (which they couldn't cram into the movie).

I don't know Orson Scott Card personally and I've barely read anything about him in the media so I'm not qualified to judge his personal opinions, but the movie, just as an isolated entity, was one of the better Sci-Fi movies I've seen in a while. If you enjoy Sci-Fi and you boycott it, then you're missing out.

I enjoyed the book far more than the movie, but it's rare for a movie to beat its source material.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Nov, 2013 09:25 pm
@rosborne979,
Now that's thinking for yourself, Ros.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 4 Nov, 2013 09:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I "boycott" Roman Polanski movies to the extent that I will never watch one, let alone pay for a ticket to do so.


Why, Finn,because he's an amoral bugger?

To whom do you dutifully and happily submit your taxes?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 4 Nov, 2013 11:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Thanx for the link, Andy. I enjoyed the review.
I hope to see the movie soon. I don 't see that the movie
has anything to do with homosexuality, pro or con.





David
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2013 11:02 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I don 't see that the movie
has anything to do with homosexuality, pro or con.

That's because it doesn't.
Due diligence son, read before you post.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2013 11:14 am
@panzade,
Ha! As though you'll break the habits of a lifetime.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 5 Nov, 2013 01:24 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

Quote:
I don 't see that the movie
has anything to do with homosexuality, pro or con.

That's because it doesn't.
Due diligence son, read before you post.
I 'll stand by the reasoning of what I said.
The whole point of this thread is an entreaty
for defense of homosexuality. I can and I will and I DID address the point of the thread.





David
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