@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:wow wow wow...you and Fresco both several times recurred to the expression "social construct". To construct is to build to create. Minds that do not create are just unfolding in a world of properties and systems of properties on which they are just one more. And this is valid even if they are filtering it. They just can't be the final link once they cannot create themselves.
minds create concepts. both the mind and the concepts they create are illusory, and refer to no absolute reality.
what is your preoccupation with minds 'creating themselves'. that is just your way of dealing with 'mind is the only reality'. because it clashes with your idea of 'external reality', you say that if there was only my mind, it would have had to create itself. but the idea of CREATION came from the mind and ideas of external reality only.
if your mind is the only reality, this does not mean reality is absolute. it means the word reality can be separated into various levels:
1.the reality of nothingness/no experience in deep sleep.
2.the reality of dream states during sleep.
3.the reality of waking state consciousness.
4.the reality of the external universe which is proposed by humans in the waking state of consciousness
5.the reality of extra universal concepts such as religion, spirituality, philosophy and the search for absolute truth/reality, also proposed by humans in the waking state.
all the above 5 'realities' are progressively different states of mind, and nothing more. each one adds another layer of illusion. but all can be easily seen as illusory. you think there is some ultimate form of number 5, which is the statement "what is is", or "reality is what it is". actually it is just the most complex form of illusion.
you are simply saying that the entire process above, must be CAUSED by something. but that entire process exists inside a mind only, unless you choose to believe that something exists outside your mind.
you can go in infinitely with more complex concepts, but they will get you nowhere but to infinitely more complex philosophical positions.
to define your own mind as something 'real' and requiring a 'cause' to 'exist', is a SELF-CREATED BELIEF.