morality, drugs, existence

mine reduces mind to nature while Fresco want to reduce nature to mind as if minds had no nature (no ground)...guess who will lose ?
(n loosing because it missed the obvious like all dumb ideas do)

I don't see how is it that anyone can doubt minds have nature and thus need have a ground...minds cannot create themselves Frank. There is nothing to debate on that area.

The problem is not one of mind over mater or matter over mind...
...matter or no matter, minds need nature...my stance to be right needs not be grounded in classical materialism...it just needs sound logic to make a score.

The problem can be simplified to the following:

1 - A prime mover is a given and cannot be constructed or construct itself.

2 - Even in the alternative scenario of a looping infinite regress of causes, the extent of the loop itself, has a circumscribing finite nature of phenomena within the spacetime looping which establishes a given nature a priori which itself is timeless. Again in this scenario minds are bound to need a nature, or to counter the dualistic view, to be reduced to a given a priori nature which is not mind constructed. The very loop as a whole was not created.

Again in resume minds cannot construct themselves if they need to be a given to exist in the 1 place.

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Stop flattering yourself...and stop making stuff up.

We have been discussing non-duality in this forum for over a decade...and I have participated in most of those discussions. Your presentation of the arguments is pitiful compared with the arguments of most non-dualists (of which there are many) here in the forum.

what is 'non duality', to you, seeing as you have spent decades discussing it apparently.
to me, it is a concept originating in ancient india, as a fundamental truth explaining the entire existence. to me, the best way of understanding the concept is to read the works of pioneers in the field, not to discuss with so called 'non dualists' on these forums.
these discussions are more a way to try to understand these pioneers' works better. all the statements i made, including 'there is no truth/reality', are consistent with people like nisargadatta maharaj, who are definitely considered pioneers of the field. according to people like him, there is no way to 'present an argument' about this topic, it is always self evident as the negation of whatever 'exists'.

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Oh...sorry I missed that. I thought the point was actually to show what a sloppy job some people can do with the issue. And I thought you were doing a bang up job of that.

you're just upset because you have been so badly owned in our argument. keep trying.

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I investigate honestly, CM...which is why the jury is still out for me. The people who are not investigating honestly are folk like you...who have reached a decision on something that is way too ambiguous yet to be decided.

now you are using my arguments against me.

i am the one saying nothing is certain, that i have made no decisions. this very thread was to enquire further into nonduality. i have said that every statement i make is subject to questioning, not necessarily true in any way.

Rather than explaining what it is to me...I think it would be appropriate to explain what it is NOT to me.

It is NOT..."...a fundamental truth explaining the entire existence..." as you seem to think it is.

I do not even have to try...or effort with you. You are transparent as glass...and don't even come close to the efforts of others.

Although I will acknowledge: You've got me right where I want you.

I would not touch your arguments with protective gloves, CM.

Yeah, you keep typing that...but the lyric does not match the tune. You continue to make unfounded, unsubstantiated assertions as to "facts."

If you actually see the value in acknowledging you do not know stuff for certain...learn how to actually put that into play. So far you are a failure at that.

But you remain my favorite foil...even if your compositions are the stuff of a not particularly adept grammar school pupil.

Someone ought to explain the idiots around the thread concepts must refer. When they don't they are meaningless.

You have too many answers for my comfort, Fil.

Obviously (to me) there is an answer to all this...although we humans may never be able to comprehend it or reason it out.

Whatever that answer IS...it IS. Whatever IS...IS.

I have NO idea at all what IS...and I cannot rule anything in or out.

The exact nature of the one mind of which I am "aware" is not really known to me...and it may be quite different from the "I" or "me" that seems to be.

Not only am I unaware of what it (the mind) is...I am also unaware of when it came into being...or if it came into being. (It may always have existed...and it may have come into being just seconds ago (as I write this) complete with all the memories I suppose it has.

Not sure how you can be so sure of what you say you are sure of...but I cannot be...and Fil, I am the only thing whose existence I am sure of (sorta).

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Rather than explaining what it is to me...I think it would be appropriate to explain what it is NOT to me.

It is NOT..."...a fundamental truth explaining the entire existence..." as you seem to think it is.

ok, so thank you for confirming that you know nothing about non duality. just by stating that 'it is not a fundamental truth' does not make it so. i will stop discussing non duality with you further, as you clearly have no idea what it is.

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I do not even have to try...or effort with you. You are transparent as glass...and don't even come close to the efforts of others.

Although I will acknowledge: You've got me right where I want you.

"i do not have to try or effort" - wrong english
"you've got me right where i want you" - wrong, nonsensical english.

so YOU are right where you want ME? that implies that you want ME where YOU are - thats a little queer bro.

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I would not touch your arguments with protective gloves, CM.

this whole argument, i have been claiming to know nothing, and that nothing exists. then, your final argument is that "no CM, you are wrong, because you have MADE YOUR DECISIONS. i like to keep the jury out. therefore i win."

but i specified that this was not a decision, it was a speculation. the definition of speculation is "the jury is still out."

i can spin your argument back and say "no sorry, you have made up your mind. you have DECIDED for certain that deciding anything is the wrong way to go, must keep the jury out.

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Yeah, you keep typing that...but the lyric does not match the tune. You continue to make unfounded, unsubstantiated assertions as to "facts."

If you actually see the value in acknowledging you do not know stuff for certain...learn how to actually put that into play. So far you are a failure at that.

But you remain my favorite foil...even if your compositions are the stuff of a not particularly adept grammar school pupil.

anything i say is founded and substantiated by the esteemed non duality teachers. anything i say is a speculation, not an assertion or fact. i am the only one who sees the value in "i don't know", hence i stick to it always.

unlike you, who has DECIDED that someone who claims to 'not know', but still makes 'statements', MUST be a liar who actually 'believes' in all his statements.

also, please show me where my words are equivalent to a school student's. you keep attacking my words simply because you are threatened. so you pick on grammar, why, because i don't capitalise words? at least i use the correct words, unlike your special phrase "you've got me right where i want you"

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Obviously (to me) there is an answer to all this...although we humans may never be able to comprehend it or reason it out.

there is no 'answer', that idea is based on a false presumption that something exists (yourself).

the idea that humans will never comprehend it is a defence mechanism to keep the intellect alive. why should there be something to comprehend? it is a presumption that something 'else' exists other than your apparent personal consciousness, that there is some 'meaning' behind it which is more primary, these are all presumptions. what happened to the jury being out? doesn't it apply to everything?

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Whatever that answer IS...it IS. Whatever IS...IS.

I have NO idea at all what IS...and I cannot rule anything in or out.

the idea that there is AN ANSWER comes from a false presumption that there is a question, some reality which can be explained by an 'answer'.

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The exact nature of the one mind of which I am "aware" is not really known to me...and it may be quite different from the "I" or "me" that seems to be.

Not only am I unaware of what it (the mind) is...I am also unaware of when it came into being...or if it came into being. (It may always have existed...and it may have come into being just seconds ago (as I write this) complete with all the memories I suppose it has.

you are stopping at the point of acknowledging that you don't know what your mind is. but the only gap between that, and 'understanding non duality', is the actual complete acceptance of that fact.

you have not accepted the fact, because you speculate that there is an 'answer' which can be known, maybe not by humans, but can eventually be known in some type of 'consciousness'.

this idea is a fabrication of the intellect trying to stay 'alive', instead of accepting itself as a limited, involuntary process, operating in an illusory reality. the illusory reality is 'life', 'death' is the primary 'nothingness' i am speaking about, from which life appears to emerge.

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Not sure how you can be so sure of what you say you are sure of...but I cannot be...and Fil, I am the only thing whose existence I am sure of (sorta).

your final 'sorta' there shows the infinitely questionable nature of so-called 'existence'. that is all i am saying in this whole thread.

that leads to the finality of 'there is no truth', other than nonduality, which by definition contains no absolute truth. truth is an idea which can only exist in duality, as compared to falsehood.

Another assertion...another blind guess about REALITY presented as fact. Explain to us how you know nothing exists.

the idea that humans will never comprehend it is a defence mechanism to keep the intellect alive. why should there be something to comprehend? it is a presumption that something 'else' exists other than your apparent personal consciousness, that there is some 'meaning' behind it which is more primary, these are all presumptions. what happened to the jury being out? doesn't it apply to everything?

I am sure you were trying to transmit a thought there, CM.

You failed miserably.

And there is another assertion contained in that jumble.

you are stopping at the point of acknowledging that you don't know what your mind is. but the only gap between that, and 'understanding non duality', is the actual complete acceptance of that fact.

One that is an assertion rather than a speculation. Two...it is talking to me about non-duality which just a few minutes ago you said you would never do again.

C'mon...keep up.

I have not accepted that "fact" because it is not a fact...it is speculation, CM. You are the one characterizing it as fact, because despite your protestations to the contrary, you are dealing from a belief system.

More assertions. I think this is the product not only of a belief system...but from a messianic delusion on your part. You actually think your are spreading the word! Hey...that's a huge part of the fun.

Oh you are saying a lot more than that, CM...but very little of it is worthwhile. If you would just sit back and take a real look at what you are writing, you would see that you are merely doing what Jehovah Witnesses do during their walks around neighborhoods.

Yeah, I know....you KNOW that non-duality has to be the case...even though nothing exists. And you know that it is absolutely true that there are no absolute truths.

There are advocates of non-duality here who probably want to shout at you that you are doing the cause of the belief system that is non-duality no big favors by doing to it what you are doing with this amateur rendering of yours.

But do continue to discuss non-duality with me even though you claimed you would not be doing so any more.

Looking forward to your next few rambling posts, CM.

Having you correcting my English and writing is like having Chris Christie correcting my diet! Gimme a break.

And, CM...although you realize you shouldn't be doing so...YOU CONSTANTLY ASSERT THINGS AS TRUTHS...rather than treat your comments as possibilities.

But as I have mentioned several times...you are fun!

i said i wouldn't discuss non duality with you. not that i wouldn't continue to crush all your pointless arguments against me. also, if i happen to continue discussing nonduality with you, i don't feel any shame for 'going back on my word', because i have already stated that everything i ever say is questionable/subject to being proven wrong in time.

Another assertion...another blind guess about REALITY presented as fact. Explain to us how you know nothing exists.

i am guessing nothing. i don't believe in a reality. i don't 'know' that nothing exists, because nobody 'knows' anything. i don't 'know' that that is true either, it is speculation.

just because i don't use capital letters, and perhaps i use some long sentences without caring about sentence structure too much, you consider all my words to be 'rambling'.

but at least you look forward to them.

then you jump in and tell me i am wrong about certain things.

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Having you correcting my English and writing is like having Chris Christie correcting my diet! Gimme a break.

i can't help it if you make mistakes old frankie boy. learn your own language. i learnt it as a second language and still own you at it.

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And, CM...although you realize you shouldn't be doing so...YOU CONSTANTLY ASSERT THINGS AS TRUTHS...rather than treat your comments as possibilities.

firstly, i don't realise i shouldn't be doing anything. if i assert things as truths, then so be it, they may be true or false. and i always say over and over again that everything i say is questionable...that seems like 'treating my comments as possibilities'.

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But as I have mentioned several times...you are fun!

i am 'fun' to you, because you are learning a lot about non duality from me. because you hate that you are learning so much from somebody younger than you, and that i know it, you revolt against me as hard as you possibly can. but it can't hurt nothingness (me).

You cannot “continue to crush” that which you have not crushed a first time, CM. C’mon…get with the program.

“Nobody knows anything” is another assertion, CM. You love those assertions, don’t you.

And then to try to mitigate that by following up with “ i don't 'know' that that is true either, it is speculation” actually is laughable.

But…”laughable”…apparently is what you shoot for.

I consider your posts to be rambling because they are RAMBLING ...and because you mangle the English language.

But...I don't blame you for having such little respect for your own position that you allow those abominable posts to continue; they are not especially worthy of respect.

So much so that I am disappointed when you delay in replying! Wink

Your posts make my day!

Just for the hell of it...name something I have told you you are wrong about. Actually provide a link to where I said you were wrong.

About anything.

But REALITY IS what actually IS.

I see that you are saying all those things, CM...but you are using words to say them.

And essentially, you are asserting things...simply asserting them.

Seems sorta like writing, "This statement is false."

Where ya gonna go with that? How can anyone deal with it?

That is, as I noted in my last post...an assertion, despite your denials. (Which sounds like a nerd attempt to satirize Abbott and Costello's "Who's On First.")

And the inherent contradiction stands. It IS like saying, "This statement is false!"

Actually, it seems I am more proficient at English than you.

To "assert" something does not mean to be sure it is true...it may simply be a belief (guess).

Stop. You should not be desperate enough to get into nonsense like this yet. I've only just started on you. You should build up all that anger slowly.

In any case, your comment "i am saying there is no true statements, there is no truth" either is not true...or if "true" it is not true.

In discussions of this sort, CM...when you are shown to be wrong...as I have shown you to be wrong...the ethical thing to do is to acknowledge the mistake and move on.

Hey...lemme show you I have a heart.

We are in agreement here...or at least, we are almost in agreement. I don't think you have actually been wrong about everything...but you certainly have been dead wrong about many things.

I submit that your comment "I am saying there is (sic) no true statements, there is no truth" IS a "belief" of yours and was stated confidently, forcefully, (albeit erroneously)...and therefore IS an assertion.

"Simplicity" is the wrong word for what we were discussing. Go back to "simplistic." And try to keep up.

Yup...you have misconstrued. Always willing to help.

Do you think before you post?

you writing is horrible...the kind of thing one might expect of a grammar school student. If you are a grammar school student with enough balls to mix it up here, I commend you. If you are older than thirteen, however, you really ought to consider remedial work.

In any case...you WERE mixing up "simplicity" and "simplistic." The former often can be used as a compliment to an argument...simple, elegant arguments are often the best form of arguments. An argument described as "simplistic" is meant to degrade...which is what Fresco was doing.

Grow up. Learn to own up to mistakes rather than try these end runs.

I guess you think that what you just wrote makes sense. It seems to me it doesn’t…and appears to be mostly projection at work.

You on the other hand claim that nothing can be known…yet you list all sorts of things as truths.

You've got things backwards, CM…you are the one who thinks you know the truths…and I am the person acknowledging that I do not know.

You seem to me to be delusional...with a grandiose opinion of yourself. You apparently think you have broken though some great intellectual or spiritual barrier….and are now preparing to “share it" with the lesser beings in of this world.”

That IS an assertion…and it seems to be primary because you are defending it despite the fact that it is an absurdity.

C’mon. Show you have some spine and acknowledge the error in your “logic” that I am highlighting…and do it without trying to pretend it is the result of language difficulties. Make no excuses…simply retract the statement…or alter it in some form of the wording I suggested.

Hey...by the way...if "what IS...IS" is not a tautology in your universe, perhaps you could move back into this one (illusion or not) for the rest of our conversation!

Can I sum all this nonsense up to: Yes, I was wrong to assert that there is no truth, because it is an absurd thing to assert...and I would like to revise what I wrote about truth to reflect what you wrote, Frank?

You really have a thing for these absurd, unsubstantiated, self-contradictory assertions!

Your mind is closed around this messianic fantasy you have built for yourself that you are going to reveal some divine truth for the world to use to understand itself better.

Nobody here (or anywhere else) should show significant respect for your ravings, CM

Anyway...you have presented NOTHING to back up your assertions that there is no reality...and that there is no truth.

Interesting nonsense, CM...and you should work on actually understanding it and develop better skills at handling disinclination toward it. Then work on your presentation. Posting these garbage posts is no way to sell something as unsaleable as this

The belief system at work here is yours...and you don't seem to have the spine to own up to it...which is the reason you walk all around it in posts when it suits you.

It is NOT..."...a fundamental truth explaining the entire existence..." as you seem to think it is.

You continue to make unfounded, unsubstantiated assertions as to "facts."

If you actually see the value in acknowledging you do not know stuff for certain...learn how to actually put that into play. So far you are a failure at that.

But you remain my favorite foil...even if your compositions are the stuff of a not particularly adept grammar school pupil.

And, CM...although you realize you shouldn't be doing so...YOU CONSTANTLY ASSERT THINGS AS TRUTHS...rather than treat your comments as possibilities.

Another assertion...another blind guess about REALITY presented as fact. Explain to us how you know nothing exists

I am sure you were trying to transmit a thought there, CM.

You failed miserably.

And there is another assertion contained in that jumble.

“Nobody knows anything” is another assertion, CM. You love those assertions, don’t you.

And then to try to mitigate that by following up with “ i don't 'know' that that is true either, it is speculation” actually is laughable.

If you do not know it is true…why assert it the way you did?

One that is an assertion rather than a speculation. Two...it is talking to me about non-duality which just a few minutes ago you said you would never do again.

C'mon...keep up.

I have not accepted that "fact" because it is not a fact...it is speculation, CM. You are the one characterizing it as fact, because despite your protestations to the contrary, you are dealing from a belief system.

More assertions. I think this is the product not only of a belief system...but from a messianic delusion on your part. You actually think your are spreading the word! Hey...that's a huge part of the fun.

Oh you are saying a lot more than that, CM...but very little of it is worthwhile. If you would just sit back and take a real look at what you are writing, you would see that you are merely doing what Jehovah Witnesses do during their walks around neighborhoods.

There are advocates of non-duality here who probably want to shout at you that you are doing the cause of the belief system that is non-duality no big favors by doing to it what you are doing with this amateur rendering of yours.

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Just for the hell of it...name something I have told you you are wrong about. Actually provide a link to where I said you were wrong.

About anything.

sure. here are 40 examples:
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But REALITY IS what actually IS.

- saying i am wrong because the context was after i was talking about 'no reality'.
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I see that you are saying all those things, CM...but you are using words to say them.

And essentially, you are asserting things...simply asserting them.

- the beginning of the saying i am wrong about 'asserting' things
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Seems sorta like writing, "This statement is false."

Where ya gonna go with that? How can anyone deal with it?

saying i am wrong about 'there is no truth' statement.
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That is, as I noted in my last post...an assertion, despite your denials. (Which sounds like a nerd attempt to satirize Abbott and Costello's "Who's On First.")

And the inherent contradiction stands. It IS like saying, "This statement is false!"

second time accusing of assertions
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Actually, it seems I am more proficient at English than you.

To "assert" something does not mean to be sure it is true...it may simply be a belief (guess).

still trying to prove me wrong with 'assert'.
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Stop. You should not be desperate enough to get into nonsense like this yet. I've only just started on you. You should build up all that anger slowly.

accusing me of anger, nonsense
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In any case, your comment "i am saying there is no true statements, there is no truth" either is not true...or if "true" it is not true.

openly telling me i am wrong
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In discussions of this sort, CM...when you are shown to be wrong...as I have shown you to be wrong...the ethical thing to do is to acknowledge the mistake and move on.

openly telling me i am wrong
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Hey...lemme show you I have a heart.

We are in agreement here...or at least, we are almost in agreement. I don't think you have actually been wrong about everything...but you certainly have been dead wrong about many things.

openly telling me i am wrong
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I submit that your comment "I am saying there is (sic) no true statements, there is no truth" IS a "belief" of yours and was stated confidently, forcefully, (albeit erroneously)...and therefore IS an assertion.

getting back to 'assertions'. can't even see that confidence and forcefulness are subjective interpretations.
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"Simplicity" is the wrong word for what we were discussing. Go back to "simplistic." And try to keep up.

your idiotic campaign to prove simplicity as a wrong word haha that was epic. you complaining to fil that i don't understand simplistic vs simplicity HAHAHAHA that was epic (your stupidity).
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Yup...you have misconstrued. Always willing to help.

openly telling me i am wrong
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Do you think before you post?

openly telling me i am wrong
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you writing is horrible...the kind of thing one might expect of a grammar school student. If you are a grammar school student with enough balls to mix it up here, I commend you. If you are older than thirteen, however, you really ought to consider remedial work.

the start of picking on my grammar, ironically beginning with a grammatical error "you writing is horrible". ahhh i love a good old man who struggles at his own language. beautiful.
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In any case...you WERE mixing up "simplicity" and "simplistic." The former often can be used as a compliment to an argument...simple, elegant arguments are often the best form of arguments. An argument described as "simplistic" is meant to degrade...which is what Fresco was doing.

Grow up. Learn to own up to mistakes rather than try these end runs.

sticking to your idiotic argument of simplic vs simplis. trying your level best to prove language superiority, but failing miserably.
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I guess you think that what you just wrote makes sense. It seems to me it doesn’t…and appears to be mostly projection at work.

openly telling me i am wrong
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You on the other hand claim that nothing can be known…yet you list all sorts of things as truths.

telling me i am wrong. unable to understand that speaking is not the same as asserting truths, unless you interpret everything with the assumption that there is an underlying truth.
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You've got things backwards, CM…you are the one who thinks you know the truths…and I am the person acknowledging that I do not know.

attacking me because of feeling threatened by my words
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You seem to me to be delusional...with a grandiose opinion of yourself. You apparently think you have broken though some great intellectual or spiritual barrier….and are now preparing to “share it" with the lesser beings in of this world.”

the beginning of your spiritualist delusion about me. can't see that i am personally responding to your comments, not spreading a message worldwide.
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That IS an assertion…and it seems to be primary because you are defending it despite the fact that it is an absurdity.

STILL going on with 'assertion' argument, even though by now i have admitted numerous times that i don't care, i will assert anything; the idea of 'asserting' is a subjective opinion.
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C’mon. Show you have some spine and acknowledge the error in your “logic” that I am highlighting…and do it without trying to pretend it is the result of language difficulties. Make no excuses…simply retract the statement…or alter it in some form of the wording I suggested.

openly telling me i am wrong
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Hey...by the way...if "what IS...IS" is not a tautology in your universe, perhaps you could move back into this one (illusion or not) for the rest of our conversation!

openly telling me i am wrong
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Can I sum all this nonsense up to: Yes, I was wrong to assert that there is no truth, because it is an absurd thing to assert...and I would like to revise what I wrote about truth to reflect what you wrote, Frank?

openly telling me i am wrong
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You really have a thing for these absurd, unsubstantiated, self-contradictory assertions!

openly telling me i am wrong
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Your mind is closed around this messianic fantasy you have built for yourself that you are going to reveal some divine truth for the world to use to understand itself better.

openly telling me i am wrong
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Nobody here (or anywhere else) should show significant respect for your ravings, CM

openly telling me i am wrong
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Anyway...you have presented NOTHING to back up your assertions that there is no reality...and that there is no truth.

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Interesting nonsense, CM...and you should work on actually understanding it and develop better skills at handling disinclination toward it. Then work on your presentation. Posting these garbage posts is no way to sell something as unsaleable as this

openly telling me i am wrong
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The belief system at work here is yours...and you don't seem to have the spine to own up to it...which is the reason you walk all around it in posts when it suits you.

openly telling me i am wrong
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It is NOT..."...a fundamental truth explaining the entire existence..." as you seem to think it is.

openly telling me i am wrong
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You continue to make unfounded, unsubstantiated assertions as to "facts."

If you actually see the value in acknowledging you do not know stuff for certain...learn how to actually put that into play. So far you are a failure at that.

But you remain my favorite foil...even if your compositions are the stuff of a not particularly adept grammar school pupil.

still continuing with same idiotic arguments
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And, CM...although you realize you shouldn't be doing so...YOU CONSTANTLY ASSERT THINGS AS TRUTHS...rather than treat your comments as possibilities.

and stilll continuing....
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Another assertion...another blind guess about REALITY presented as fact. Explain to us how you know nothing exists

and still going...
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I am sure you were trying to transmit a thought there, CM.

You failed miserably.

And there is another assertion contained in that jumble.

and still going...
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“Nobody knows anything” is another assertion, CM. You love those assertions, don’t you.

And then to try to mitigate that by following up with “ i don't 'know' that that is true either, it is speculation” actually is laughable.

If you do not know it is true…why assert it the way you did?

and still going...
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One that is an assertion rather than a speculation. Two...it is talking to me about non-duality which just a few minutes ago you said you would never do again.

C'mon...keep up.

and still going..
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I have not accepted that "fact" because it is not a fact...it is speculation, CM. You are the one characterizing it as fact, because despite your protestations to the contrary, you are dealing from a belief system.

openly telling me i am wrong
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More assertions. I think this is the product not only of a belief system...but from a messianic delusion on your part. You actually think your are spreading the word! Hey...that's a huge part of the fun.

more assertions/messianic delusion hahahaha.
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Oh you are saying a lot more than that, CM...but very little of it is worthwhile. If you would just sit back and take a real look at what you are writing, you would see that you are merely doing what Jehovah Witnesses do during their walks around neighborhoods.

openly telling me i am wrong, trying to insult my by using your bigoted view of other religions.
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There are advocates of non-duality here who probably want to shout at you that you are doing the cause of the belief system that is non-duality no big favors by doing to it what you are doing with this amateur rendering of yours.

openly telling me i am wrong