pav64
 
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 09:38 am
Is it true obamacare will fine smoker $600 to enroll in the Affordable Care Act?
 
Butrflynet
 
  3  
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 11:00 am
@pav64,
I don't think you will find any insurance policy before or after Obamacare that does not penalize smokers with higher premiums.

Quit smoking already.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 11:12 am
@Butrflynet,
Isn't the point of the ACA to lower the costs of insurance? Wouldn't smoking count as a preexisting condition?
tsarstepan
 
  2  
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 01:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Long answer? No. Smoking isn't a preexisting condition. It's a self-inflicted condition.
roger
 
  2  
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 01:25 pm
@pav64,
I haven't heard that pav, so can't comment. Insurance providers for company group insurance companies are allowed a 50% increase in premiums, however. Whether this applies anywhere else, or not, I don't know.
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Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Mon 21 Oct, 2013 03:27 pm
@tsarstepan,
For the most part, so is obesity. Would it be ok for an insurance company to charge fat people more for their insurance. Or how about anyone who happens to have a higher liftstyle risk? Extreme athletes, people who race cars or climb mountains?
Linkat
 
  1  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 02:49 pm
@pav64,
The way it is worded via my insurance is that if you do not smoke you get a discount.

Same thing really but giving someone a discount sounds much nicer than charging or fining someone who smokes.
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Linkat
 
  2  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 02:51 pm
@Baldimo,
they do this with life insurance - older people, smokers, etc are all charged higher due to higher risk. Same should go in theory then with health insurance.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 02:56 pm
@Linkat,
So it's ok for smokers to pay higher insurance because they smoke but no one else has too? It seems that goes against the grain for the purpose of the ACA.
roger
 
  1  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 03:08 pm
@Baldimo,
Smokers are a poorly organized herd of cash cows.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 03:14 pm
@roger,
Quote:
The Affordable Care Act — "Obamacare" to its detractors — allows health insurers to charge smokers buying individual policies up to 50 percent higher premiums starting next Jan. 1.


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i think we all know that smoking does not cause anything close to a 50% increase in healthcare costs, there is no sugarcoating it, this is blackmail.

wait, didnt Obama claim that we cant let blackmail work, that it is unAmerican
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 03:17 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Smokers are a poorly organized herd of cash cows.


the willingness of the American people to support vendetta's against people who smoke is the big problem. We will eventually find out that the state that gets away with this BS will eventually come after our procliviaties that it does not approve of.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Reply Tue 22 Oct, 2013 03:20 pm
@roger,
Smokers self-cause a lot of their/our own expensive health problems. I was one, I get it, some times in that twenty years, I smoked 3 packs a day, some tossed midway, but a lot of smoke I made welcome into my lungs, and I was one who liked menthol, now a baddie, or baddier,

I've recently been read in tests as pleasantly ok in health (what?) after extensive tests somewhat by mistake, the plotz from the pill, but I know myself as on the increasingly feeble side, possibly a product of vision, balance, and laziness. I now I have to get out there and move around.
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Linkat
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2013 09:55 am
@Baldimo,
I'm not saying it is wrong or right - simply that it is.

It seems there is such a big push to get people to stop smoking and it is socially acceptable to be biased against smokers it is easier to promote than say someone who is overweight.

My doctor said to me, there are three things that will guarantee you a longer life (other things can help, but may not guarantee it) - not smoking, wearing a seatbelt and flossing.

I wonder if there can be a flossing clause in the health insurance policy as well.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2013 11:04 am
@Linkat,
your doc is probably wrong. recent science concludes that a sizable number of people are genetically immune to ill effects from tobacco. Doctors have developed a disturbing lack of allegiance to facts and have decided that it is their job to manipulate people into practices that they want to see.
tsarstepan
 
  2  
Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2013 11:39 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

your doc is probably wrong. recent science concludes that a sizable number of people are genetically immune to ill effects from tobacco. Doctors have developed a disturbing lack of allegiance to facts and have decided that it is their job to manipulate people into practices that they want to see.

Source this unbelievable nonsense. And a single nonpeer reviewed short term study doesn't count.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Wed 23 Oct, 2013 12:06 pm
@tsarstepan,
I am at work and dont know how to do that on my phone so let Google be your friend. this is pretty much accepted common knowledge in science, not unlike the fact that many people are immune from HIV. many people can not get cancer no matter what they do. some people are immune from nicotine. and so on. the problem right now is that we cant identify who can safely smoke.
InsuranceLady
 
  2  
Reply Fri 25 Oct, 2013 03:07 pm
@pav64,
No, there is no fine for smokers, but insurance companies are permitted to charge a higher premium to smokers to non-smokers (a ratio of 1:1.5 or 50% more).
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Oct, 2013 04:52 pm
@InsuranceLady,
InsuranceLady wrote:

No, there is no fine for smokers, but insurance companies are permitted to charge a higher premium to smokers to non-smokers (a ratio of 1:1.5 or 50% more).
"fine" works very well to reflect the reality here, the fact that prettier words are used by many to hide the reality goes to show how honesty in conversation is getting hard to come by in America.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Oct, 2013 04:57 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:
I wonder if there can be a flossing clause in the health insurance policy as well.


there sort of is. there is a reason that dental benefits are usually quite good, esp around preventative care, in companies that offer health benefits
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