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Define Satan

 
 
Germlat
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 05:38 pm
@neologist,
I believe you believe in what you do all the way. I respect that. You are no phony person. I just don't believe in scripture. It is way too easy...and doesn't explain the big picture...but I'm still interested in what you believe.
neologist
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 05:45 pm
@Germlat,
It may help at first to view the Story as allegory. Check to see if the parts fit.
When I started doing that and began comparing the actual account with the lies perpetrated through the centuries by power hungry clergy, it made much more sense.

I formerly used this as my sig line:
Quote:
Man will never be free until the last king has been strangled by the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diderot
Germlat
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 05:51 pm
@neologist,
No complaints here
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JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 06:14 pm
@Germlat,
Quote:
that is so boring.. Do you have another topic??


You betcha, Germy. See what you help support.

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http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.ca/2010_09_01_archive.html?m=1


September 2, 2010

Vomiting Perfidy.

Since yesterday I have been vomiting my insides out...

My first bout of vomit came after I read a transcript of your President's speech, his speech to the "nation". Because you consider yourselves a nation ?!

It started off with an uneasiness felt in the pit of my stomach, then quickly transformed itself into a queasiness, then into a foul nausea, only to erupt like a dammed out volcano into violent throes of pure vomit...

I have over the past 20 years or so, developed a high intolerance to perfidy and you throughout your history have excelled in perfecting what I am most allergic to...

You literally make me sick.

Change - you clamored like a herd of sheep, while munching, ruminating like cattle every word that is fed to you...Black and White, even those retards who call themselves American Arabs and Muslims rejoiced at Uncle Tom's arrival to the White House.

Oh the "principled", "moralistic" prudish puritanical perverts called Americans, always showing up late for change...always jumping on the bandwagon, when the train has already passed...

The peace loving war mongers of the new world order is what you are. Fake and ignorant to the bone.

So you pride yourselves on being "a good people", a "compassionate" "sharing caring hugging" people -- nothing but Perfidy.

For 20 years, I witnessed my country, the land of my father, my mother, my ancestors, disintegrate before my very eyes...20 ******* years. 20 ******* years.

Twenty years of people -- first withering, wilting away, like flowers never allowed to see the light, never allowed to turn their faces to the sun, then from fading into shadows, faltering into a colorless background...bombed, massacred, slaughtered into a nothingness...the same nothingness that inhabits you daily...the same nothingness that makes you rush to your shrink, the same nothingness that you feed with your junk, the same nothingness that you fill with your consumer products...the same nothingness of your void, of the pit, the deep pit that you all live in, and I throw up some more, from the pits of my belly....

So you "sacrificed" for us, so you liberated us from "tyranny", so you "lived up to your responsibilities" --- like you did in Falluja, Haditha, Mahmoudiya, Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Ramadi...¨"kill the motherfuckers" you shouted...and your wives masturbated to your love letters, or shed a few tears while waving that infamous flag...the flag of a degenerate, decaying country that has offered nothing but murder, carnage and mayhem...

You liberated us from "dictatorship" with 5 times the size of a Hiroshima and a Nagasaki...you liberated us until there was no space left in our morgues, and 7 and half years later, we still search for the dead...you liberated us until our streets turned into pools of blood, and mosques became torture dungeons where those hajjis were having their eyes plucked out and their flesh drilled, you liberated us so we can be abducted, raped and murdered for a 1000$ or for wearing lipstick...you liberated us so our bodies can float on the Tigris and Euphrates, mutilated unrecognizable...you liberated us alright...stuffing us in prisons cells, covering us with your piss and excrements, or handing us to your mercenaries and your pimps and whores in turbans, while you fucked the prostitutes specially brought to you in your Green Fortress... and while the rest of us lived in walled ghettos that you constructed for us...

You liberated us alright...and you lived up to your principles, your ideals and your responsibilities...

But I do grant you one thing, you computerized, digitalized death for us...you see, thanks to you our morgue is now equipped with the latest technology, so 7 years down the line, we can finally go and find the corpse of a loved one, maybe. We even got numbers, serial numbers, you are serial killers and we get serial numbers...

We carry numbers wherever we go, number on our passports, on our ID cards, on our prison bracelets, and even on our dead bodies...the numbers follow us to the cemeteries, we got plenty of them today...all this reconstruction money, we built cemeteries with...well not quite, you stole the money...billions of dollars, so we turned gardens and parks into graveyards...our children play there, amidst the wailing of mothers in perpetual grief...

You are indeed a brave people...a noble, brave people. See, all what you've done for us! Your generosity will be recorded in history annals...and you will be used as a historical example, a model of a country and a people of great integrity -- just like the New Iraq model.

Those of us who could not handle this overflowing compassion from you (as your stinking alternative press likes us to believe - Americans are compassionate people), flew away...escaped the milk of human kindness, carrying a few documents and memories, wounds and scars stacked in suitcases...with no destination...

A permanent exile has become our abode...a new geographical location not found on any map...carrying our selves like some overburdening, heavy bundle, struggling to make ends meet, struggling to survive, struggling not to become insane, struggling not be engulfed by that nothingness of yours...

Scratching humanity with our nails...trying to find it, digging with our bare hands, sometimes wishing that we were buried there, alongside our loved ones...sometimes wishing we were never born, sometimes crying in our solitude, sometimes screaming in our nightmares, sometimes numbing ourselves so we can match your nothingness...

Most of the time, confused, lost and bewildered...still unable to grasp what has befallen us, in the name of Freedom...other times engrossed with story after story of endless suffering and misery inflicted by you...with stories of relatives and friends lost in dungeons of Democracy, with stories of monsters being born in the land of Freedom, with stories of disease and illnesses nesting into our DNA and becoming part of our make up, of our being...infiltrating the very essence of us, of our soil, our air, our water...

Story after story...image after image -- wheelchairs, amputations, limbs lost, eyes lost, fingers lost, a child dying, a woman raped and killed, a man tortured to death...story after story of -- poverty, disease, need, neglect, abandonment...story after story of an eternal fatigue that has settled upon us like a blanket...

I watch in my head, in my imagination, in my memory, the river Tigris flowing on a summer eve right at sunset...when the air is cooler (and when there was electricity and drinking water), I watch the river flow, calmly, silently, peacefully...nothing obstructs it, it just flows and I close my eyes and imagine myself flowing with it, in it...to an unknown destination...only in these moments do I find real tranquility...during those seconds, when I am transported there, by that river where everything grew and took shape...from the dawn of Time...

I go back in time thousands of years, when you were non existent, when you had no name, no shape and no color...and I find myself...I find myself and I find Iraq.

This is the only consolation I can give to myself - that even in the buckets of vomit wrought out from my guts, I can still find Her and me.

But you can't.
Germlat
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 06:17 pm
@JTT,
Don't classify me as anything...you know nothing about me!!
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 06:19 pm
@Germlat,
You have done nothing but support these war crimes and terrorism, Germy.
Germlat
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 07:35 pm
@JTT,
Seriously! I don't know what world you live in. You are full of hate. You have no idea what world I come from and you don't care!
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 07:55 pm
@Germlat,
I am full of hate??? I don't make excuses for the war crimes committed by USA governments, Germlat. I told you that they are the equivalent of the Nazis and they are.

Would you defend the nazis?

Why do you defend the USA?
Wilso
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 08:37 pm
@JTT,
Dude, you seriously need some ******* counselling. Assuming you actually have any real friends, do you somehow manage to turn EVERY conversation into one of your anti-USA bitch sessions? And don't go asking me if I would defend the USA's actions etc etc. my attitude towards the America or any other country is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is you are ******* obsessed to a completely unhealthy degree. Get some help for christ's sake.
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 09:09 pm
@Wilso,
So you're a liar too, Wilso. Rolling Eyes
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JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 09:28 pm
@Wilso,
I suppose you have a valid reason for the USA to get away with war crimes the equivalent of Nazi Germany, Wilso, but I feel they should be held to the same standard they demand of others.

Eisenhower dragged Germans to see the Nazi death camps. Why shouldn't Americans have to witness the same carnage wrought by their governments for well over a century?
Wilso
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 09:40 pm
@JTT,
What's relevant here is that you managed to turn a "define satan" thread into another anti US political rant. Understand this. I'm trying to give you some ******* help here you ignorant fuckwit. NOBODY is going to answer your questions. NOBODY pays a single bit of attention to your posts. Most members have ignored you, as I have . I just took a quick glance to see if you'd managed to do the same ******* thing again, and of course, there it was, a completely off topic, "the US are nazis" etc. I'm not going to address another post towards you. I'm not going to see your next rant. Go ahead and call me a nazi sympathiser, or a US enabler, or any other thing your one track mind manages to dream up. I don't give a ****. But get some help, because I suspect you've long since alienated every person in your real life, and you do it to everyone that enters your "virtual" existence as well.
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 09:45 pm
@Wilso,
Quote:
I just took a quick glance to see ... .


Okay, so you've illustrated that you are a liar and a coward. See ya, Wilso.
anonymously99
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:54 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
Okay, so you've illustrated that you are a liar and a coward.


JTT describes himself well. Shocked
anonymously99
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:02 am
@anonymously99,
Re: JTT

Please do not take my previous post, my negative words mentioned seriously. Accepting my apologies at the same time. I should develop a new sense of humor.
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Krumple
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:17 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

What is he? ie. Define Satan


The whole premise doesn't make any sense really. If god created the angels and this same god is also suppose to be all knowing, he would have known long before creating this one particular angel what the out come would be. He did nothing to prevent it, nor circumvent it. Allows it to take it's course. Therefore no one, absolutely no one would be responsible if they get manipulated by this angel.

But let's back up a bit. One one most favored? Really? Most favored? And he falls? To me this sounds more like he is getting a bad rap. Sort of like a whistle blower on the big corrupt government. He didn't like how things were going and rebelled. But of course he gets branded as the evil one for rebelling as typical of a tyrant to do. Tyrants always call those who don't support them, evil.

But look at the track record. God destroys the world, young innocent children and babies all because of a corrupt human society? Really? I mean if they were already born of sin how could they be any worse? Makes no sense.

It is possible some huge flood disaster happened but sure as hell there wasn't a Noah or an ark. But the ignorant people assumed some god was behind it, like they did for lightning storms and earth quakes. Ignorant people still think these natural occurrences are created by an all loving god. But they don't see the contradiction at all.

To me it is obvious. We live in a chaotic world because there is no god. If a god was real it wouldn't need to create a universe like the one we have. It wouldn't be necessary. It is not necessary to live out an average life span of what? 60 years? To make a choice which will determine eternity? Seriously? It is absurd.

We utilize less than 0.00001% of the universe, the rest as far as we know is completely and utterly hostile. Why make something so big, if it was created for us? Makes no sense. There is no need for a galaxy 13 billion light years away. What's the point?

Oh that's right all of this can be explained away that satan has something to do with it. Yep it is the clever get out of jail free card. Any time there is something that makes Christianity look retarded or absurd, it is the devil's doing as a trick or ploy. Well if that is the case and you fall for the ploy, you are not responsible for falling for the trick. If you get punished for falling for a trick then that god would be an asshole.
neologist
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:18 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
People who are perfectly evil, Germy. Reagan, Bush, Hitler, Bush, Nixon, Truman, PolPot, eisenhower, Stalin, Kennedy, Johnson, ... .
And who delivers the cannon fodder to the front lines? These politicians could accomplish nothing without collusion with the clergy.

It is no wonder that the world's religions are referred to as prostitutes to the nations. Read Revelation, chapters 17 and 18.

And who is the puppeteer for these workers of death? None other than the rebel for whom this thread was named.
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neologist
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:23 am
@Krumple,
Krumple wrote:
The whole premise doesn't make any sense really. If god created the angels and this same god is also suppose to be all knowing, he would have known long before creating this one particular angel what the out come would be. He did nothing to prevent it, nor circumvent it. Allows it to take it's course. Therefore no one, absolutely no one would be responsible if they get manipulated by this angel.
You fault God for allowing his intelligent creation the faculty of free will?

You would prefer he made puppets. Who pulls your strings?
Krumple
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:35 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
You fault God for allowing his intelligent creation the faculty of free will?

You would prefer he made puppets. Who pulls your strings?


My point as you have missed might be better illustrated with an analogy.

I am building a house, but I am also an all knowing being. I know when the house is finished one second after the last nail is pounded in that the entire house is going to collapse making all my work for not. What would the point be in building the house knowing what the result would be? But let's up the stakes. Before that last nail is pounded in, I have a family move into the house while I continue to work on it. This doesn't change the out come at all. The last nail goes in, the house falls and the family dies in the collapse. I knew all along what would happen yet I did nothing to change or alter it even though I have the power to do so.

It is silly. Cruel, and well to be honest. The reason why odd and strange things happen is because there is no god. This is why some times there is evil in the world that seems to go unpunished. Why good things go unrewarded. Why the universe is so hostile. Not to mention why there are over four thousand religions and over fourteen thousand denominations of christianity alone. They all want to shape and mold their versions to suit how they want it to be to suit them.
anonymously99
 
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Sat 5 Apr, 2014 01:46 am
@Krumple,
I 100% believe in God and Jesus Christ both. I am not saying this to make you angry, upset in any way. All of the things you say. I have every right to believe you're truly jealous of God and Jesus Christ both. It's not nice of you. You only prove yourself as the opposite of a good soul.
 

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